Spooky Coop Podcast — Episode 56: Where Do UFOs Come From? In Episode 56, Paul and Michelle explore one of the biggest questions in UFO and UAP lore: if these strange craft are real, where might they come from? From outer space and lunar way stations to hidden underground civilizations, deep-ocean bases, interdimensional entities, and even the possibility that UFOs reflect humanity’s collective consciousness, they examine the theories that make the phenomenon so mysterious. Along the way, they share their own sightings, experiences, and plenty of Spooky Coop humor. They also introduce a new segment, “This Week in Spooky Coop News,” featuring strange headlines including Hungary’s gravedigging championship, a disputed possible cryptid photo from a New York marsh, an unusual shoe-tying public stunt, and more. To close the episode, Paul and Michelle share Mandy’s unsettling firsthand account of a home overtaken by thousands of enormous flies—an infestation that allegedly vanished without a trace following a house blessing. Have you seen a UFO, encountered something unexplainable, or lived through a strange paranormal event? Send your story to Spooky Coop.
Spooky Coop Podcast — Episode 56: Where Do UFOs Come From?
Are UFOs and UAPs visitors from another world—or could they be closer than we think?
This week, Paul and Michelle explore the stranger theories behind the UFO phenomenon: hidden civilizations beneath the Earth, unidentified objects moving through the ocean, interdimensional beings, lunar and Martian bases, demons, angels, and the possibility that UFOs may reflect our own collective fears and beliefs.
They also debut “This Week in Spooky Coop News,” with odd headlines from Hungary’s gravedigging championship to a possible cryptid photo in a New York marsh, a shoe-tying stunt that caused public confusion, and more.
Finally, they share Mandy’s eerie account of a home overwhelmed by enormous, biting flies. After exterminators could find no source and conventional solutions failed, one house blessing allegedly brought the infestation to an immediate and unexplained end.
Have you seen a UFO, witnessed something strange in the sky or water, or experienced a haunting of your own? Send your story to Spooky Coop.
# Spooky Coop Podcast - Episode 56: Where Do UFOs Come From?
**Hosts:** Paul (Speaker 1) and Michelle (Speaker 2)
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**Speaker 1 :** This week on Spooky Coop, episode number 56, Paul and Michelle discuss theories of UFO origins, followed by a new segment, this week in Spooky Coop News, and finish up with a person's story of demon flies.
**Speaker 1 :** Hi everyone, I'm Paul.
**Speaker 2 :** And I'm Michelle.
**Speaker 1 :** And you're in the spooky coop. Welcome to the spooky goo. Hope you're not chicken.
**Speaker 1 :** Hello Michelle.
**Speaker 2 :** Hey Paul.
**Speaker 1 :** How's it going?
**Speaker 2 :** Not too bad.
**Speaker 1 :** Welcome everybody in the in the United States and around the world. This is Spooky Coop.
**Speaker 2 :** Oh yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** The place where Strange stories evolve and the place where the world comes to find strange and interesting news.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, it hatches around here all the time.
**Speaker 1 :** So, go ahead, Michelle.
**Speaker 2 :** Well, today we're going to be looking at a few things. First thing we're going to be looking at is UFOs or what do they call them now? UAPs. I always mess that up. I always say UPA phenomenon.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Um Anyway, there's no question that they're real. No question in my mind that at least most of them are real. Some people see other things and they think, 'Oh my god, it's a UFO.' But, um, they are real. And it's not a question anymore. The question is, where are they coming from?
**Speaker 1 :** Right.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** So, today we're going to tear up the rule book. Forget the little green men from Mars trope. We're diving into the deep, dark, and downright weird theories of where these UAPs, these craft, and these entities are actually based.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. And I think that if you have enough UPAs, you'll know about the
**Speaker 1 :** That's IPA.
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**Speaker 2 :** IPA. I always mess that up. It's probably cuz I don't drink beer. That's right.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Anyway, we're looking into everything from the hollow earth theory, which I've heard a lot of people talk about, the underwater bases, which I've heard other people talk about, the interdimensional travelers, which I've heard people talk about, and the terrifying possibility that they're just mirrors of our own collective consciousness.
**Speaker 2 :** And as always, we're leaving the skeptics in the dust. We're here for the paranormal, the metaphysical, and the stuff they will never understand could be possible.
**Speaker 1 :** That's right. You know, that's right.
**Speaker 2 :** So, first, let's talk about the space myth versus the inner earth concept.
**Speaker 1 :** Well, what do you mean space myth? I don't think it's a myth, but anyway, let's Everyone start with space. People say they're from Zedi, Reticuli, the Plleades, Mars, the Moon. Hey, I got a story for you. Long time ago when I was running um I was doing the chat rooms for AOL. That's back when AOL cost 295 a minute, which was insane.
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**Speaker 2 :** That is.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Um anyway, there was a woman on it that said I was either um uh FBI or Zeta Reticul. Well, I could attest to the alien part, but the FBI definitely knows.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, I thought that was really, really funny
**Speaker 1 :** cuz she said I was online too much. I had to have had either um alien magic or government account, but actually I had AOL for free because I ran the chat room.
**Speaker 2 :** Chat room. Yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Anyway, um if you look at their fright flight patterns, people believe that, you know, they don't act like you know, airplanes, they're traveling for light years, and they'll say, you know, they have to be local because things don't travel light years, like, you know, like, but who knows how far they go back. Who knows how far they can go,
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**Speaker 2 :** right? Exactly. They pop in and out of the ocean. They hover over mountain ranges, especially volcanic ranges.
**Speaker 1 :** That's true. People see them. You know, that there's like 40 volcanoes going off on the Earth right now.
**Speaker 2 :** Is that really?
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah, I looked that up today. That that's too too many volcanoes out there. Anyway, these UAPs that you know hang around volcanic ranges, they seem to have bases in places that don't make sense, like the middle of the desert or the bottom of the Pacific.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, you have to look into the inner earth theory to think about that. You know, it's not just Jules Vern anymore. You know, there are persistent reports from people, military personnel whistleblowers and um that there are massive subterranean caverns that seem to be home to civilizations that have been there longer than some humans, they say.
**Speaker 1 :** Mhm. Think about Dula, New Mexico, Michelle. People have been reporting humming, shaking, and lights emerging from the ground for decades.
**Speaker 2 :** That's true.
**Speaker 1 :** If you have a civilization that doesn't want to be seen, why bother with the stars? Just go down underground. It's safer. It's hidden and the rent is cheaper.
**Speaker 2 :** It's dirt cheap.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Then there's the underwater highway. You know, that's what people call it.
**Speaker 2 :** Don't get me started on the USOS, unidentified submerged objects. The Navy has been tracking these things for years. They move at impossible speeds through the water, ignoring the laws of hydrodnamics. They're coming from the deep. In fact, often the deepest parts of the ocean that haven't even been mapped yet. Maybe they're not even aliens in the sense of coming from another planet. Maybe they're the original inhabitants of this planet.
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**Speaker 1 :** Didn't you see a whole bunch of them coming out of Lake Ontario or was it some other
**Speaker 2 :** people are UFOs? UFPs. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Back in 1998, uh it was down at Lake Ontario... 1997 too.
**Speaker 1 :** 97. Yes, that's right. That is right. 9798
**Speaker 2 :** we first started 97 there were lights that uh we were caught by people uh coming out of group.
**Speaker 1 :** Yep. And lights going and descending into the water. You had to have a very powerful telescopic uh device to be able to see it, much less record it.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Because it was way across the lake.
**Speaker 1 :** Yes. And uh you know, I I I've seen lights just sit a smaller light and a bigger light hovering brightly and then have a triangular shaped set of lights travel towards those lights
**Speaker 1 :** when they got very bright. It was and then just gradually fade out.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. It's a bit humbling, isn't it? to see something like that.
**Speaker 1 :** You know, we think we own the surface of this earth, right?
**Speaker 2 :** But there could be a whole other world under it, like in under the waves or something,
**Speaker 1 :** you know, and they could be just laughing at us, you know, looking. They look at our submarines and say, 'Oh, look.' You know, what are they doing? You know, you ever think of if they are underwater creatures, they may have evolved from like whales or something.
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**Speaker 2 :** You know, those are mammals. And they're smooth.
**Speaker 1 :** Mhm.
**Speaker 2 :** You know, and you know, you never know, you know.
**Speaker 1 :** Uh porpuses, dolphins, they're gray.
**Speaker 2 :** Mhm.
**Speaker 1 :** You know, anyway, full disclosure, this one is not in my wheelhouse. Um I don't believe in this next one, but there are people who have this theory that they're demons.
**Speaker 2 :** And we're talking about all these things tonight because we're keeping an open mind.
**Speaker 1 :** Well, Michelle and I have our own experiences with some of these things. But we're we're trying to just keep an open mind.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Cuz we know some of you may had experiences with something that
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**Speaker 1 :** or maybe some that are not like anything we've had.
**Speaker 2 :** That's true. So let's talk about the demonic theory.
**Speaker 1 :** Let's talk about the demonic theory. This is the one that makes people uncomfortable. But you have to look at the patterns. The abductions, the fear, the concept that some feel they are shapeshifting and using the skill to hunt them to suck the life force from them. It mirrors the old folklore of demons and evil fairies perfectly. Yeah. Um, interestingly, interdimension theory is kind of crosses into this a bit. If they are de demonic beings, it could be said that they're coming from other dimensions. You know, um, they aren't traveling through space. They're coming through what we call an edge or a veil between the earth and and wherever they're coming from. They exist in a frequency. It could be right next to us. They could be reaching through whatever they want. It makes me think of when a dog sits there and stares
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. And just keeps barking or just keeps staring at something.
**Speaker 2 :** But you know, I when I was in a support group, there was this guy I was at John Max support group
**Speaker 2 :** and there was this guy who used to say every other night the aliens come to my house and they keep making my bed bounce up and down and shake the headboard and and they'd shake the headboard and make my bed bounce up and down and up and down and
**Speaker 1 :** and all of us abduct him, didn't it?
**Speaker 2 :** All of them All of us abductees would just sit there and stare at him. And he said, you know, and they smelled like dog doodoo and and and
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**Speaker 2 :** and he said, 'And they smelled like dead rabbits on the road, like roadkill.'
**Speaker 1 :** I I I think we all get where you're going with this. He was possessed.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. And and and all of us abductees were thinking, 'Hm, that never happened to us.'
**Speaker 1 :** You know,
**Speaker 2 :** but he was absolutely positive they were aliens. So, you know, to each his own, I guess.
**Speaker 1 :** So, I guess that's why they appear as aliens to some, demons to others. They're using a mask that fits our cultural expectations.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Like like um it's funny. I have to tell you a short story about my mom. My mom always said, 'Oh, look, those are aliens.' Until she like became born again and got super religious and then all of a sudden they were demons.
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**Speaker 1 :** So, that's just a interesting line there.
**Speaker 2 :** Um and Anyway, you know that people believe uh the same theory explains their religious experience. Some people believe that um when they see them, they're angelic, you know, and like let's say they have a vision that they're angels and
**Speaker 1 :** and maybe they get taken up into a spaceship
**Speaker 2 :** and then they have sort of an examination or something. They come back, they remember enough to think that angels brought them into heaven and did some kind of
**Speaker 1 :** work to fix something on them. cured them or something.
**Speaker 2 :** Yes.
**Speaker 1 :** So, yes, there are a lot of reasons why aliens could be interdimensional without appearing as angels or demons. To paint them with this brush is to have a closed as close to mind as the average skeptic. As most people involved in paranormal research have discovered, there are many layers to our reality. It's not inconceivable that there would be real aliens, meaning not human entities, and their vehicles existing outside our layer of reality. It's also not inconceivable that with their seemingly advanced technology, they could visit ours.
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**Speaker 2 :** And that's true, Paul. And one of the theories we haven't even touched on is that there's a whole different um pantheon of aliens. And some people believe that they're all the same aliens, but giving us different um visions in our head to make us think there's more aliens. And some people know there's more aliens. So, what do you think of that?
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**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. So, Oh, is this this is like a manifestation of our own collective psyche is what you're getting at here.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Or the aliens are projecting into our mind that there are grays, there are there are what people would call Nordics, there are praying mantis types, there are lizard types.
**Speaker 1 :** This is called falls into something called the Tulpa effect. We create our reality. And and what if the UFO phenomena is a giant globe thought form?
**Speaker 2 :** We've spent 80 years obsessing over flying saucers and now
**Speaker 1 :** we've literally brought them into existence.
**Speaker 2 :** Oh, that's freaky, huh?
**Speaker 1 :** It's like a universe's giant mirror. We project our fears and our technical obsessions and our need for uh some kind of salv I did it again.
**Speaker 2 :** 15 paragraphs before your mouth.
**Speaker 1 :** Some sight of some kind of saviors like a a cosmic brotherhood in the sky. Some universal reflection back at us. Um, some people see aliens as uh this brotherhood and that's what they project and some people see them as these evil things and that's what they create.
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**Speaker 2 :** Oh, that's because the first book that they're going to give them is something entitled
**Speaker 1 :** To serve...
**Speaker 2 :** To serve man and who what it's either a cookbook or a cruise ship manual.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Anyway, it explains why the ships uh change shape with the times. They went from airships in the 1890s to flying saucers in the 50s to silent triangles today and they're evolving with us.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. But, you know, we have a story coming in the future that kind of puts that all down. We have an awesome story we're going to have soon about ranches where people are having experience that makes Skywalker Ranch look like Disneyland.
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**Speaker 1 :** Shameless plug for a future episode.
**Speaker 2 :** That's true.
**Speaker 1 :** We need to do it as much as possible.
**Speaker 2 :** Anyway, I'm holding out to the episode model. I heard uh it has a newly designed spacey interior and goes from zero to warp 60 in 6 milliseconds.
**Speaker 1 :** Oh, can I go for a ride with you?
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, we can if we can get both get permission. Yes, we'll get hit to take us. Okay.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah, that would be fun. We could break break the time barrier, go back, fix things, come back. That would be cool.
**Speaker 2 :** Anyway, now we're on to the moon and Mars and other solar system bases.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** Now, there's a theory out there that They are sort of way stations, places I guess like um truck stops for aliens. Like the moon is hollow and they hang out there, maybe have a cup of coffee. I don't know.
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**Speaker 1 :** If we if everyone knew the truth, they would be shocked.
**Speaker 2 :** If they want to know the truth, they just have to read our book.
**Speaker 1 :** That's right.
**Speaker 2 :** The Alien Abduction Reference Guide, the Alien Abduction Survival Guide. Right.
**Speaker 1 :** Anyway, if you look at the uh photos from the Apollo mission. Why don't you tell us?
**Speaker 2 :** Look at the structures and the lights and the anomalies. It looks like a staging background. If you're going to observe a planet, you don't park in the middle of the street. You park on the moon and watch through the window that you know looking at at the moon landings is is very very interesting. It doesn't matter which side you say you you are um believe or tend towards. Either way, you're you're screwed by the other side. People get very very upset about this. We're not going to talk about that.
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**Speaker 1 :** It's like people who are like, 'Oh, it's on the dark side of the moon.' And other people are saying, 'There's no dark side of the moon.'
**Speaker 2 :** You know, um the other thing of the moon,
**Speaker 1 :** the far side of the moon. Yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** Um the other thing is people who are seeing pyramids and faces and things on Mars and saying that must have been an ancient civilization, you know. And then when you zoom into those things, they're like thousand miles wide, stuff like that. Um, but you never know. I mean, there are stranger things happening out there. And like I said, you want more info, uh, I'm shamelessly plugging our books again, which are available at any bookstore or can be ordered.
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**Speaker 1 :** They can be ordered on Amazon, and they have very good reviews, except for somebody who said, 'This book is crap because it's all about the fact that aliens are real and aliens aren't.' So, if you do believe aliens are real, anyway, Getting back to our story here, I've heard more than one person suggest the ETSs could even be using the moon as a staging area to study humans from. And maybe that's where they stored all the little baby tanks.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, tanks for the memories.
**Speaker 1 :** Tanks for the memories.
**Speaker 2 :** Uh anyway, you know that old joke, you know, it's like some this uh conservationist who's studying fish, he uh grabs a fish that's been t since birth. He takes it out of the water. He checks its weight. He scans the tag. Everything's fine. So, he throws it back in the water. The little fish swims out to its uh school, and he says, 'Hey guys, hey guys, it happened again. Some creature grabbed me, pulled me out of the water, did an exam on me, and threw me back in.' And all the other fish in the school said, 'Yeah, yeah, tell us another one. You're crazy.'
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**Speaker 1 :** All were sitting there shaking their fins, calling him nuts.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. Yeah. Another abductee.
**Speaker 1 :** So Michelle, what are your final thoughts? Where do they come from? The ocean, the center of the earth, our own minds, or from outer space.
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**Speaker 2 :** Maybe the answer is all of the above. Maybe they're not just one thing. Maybe people are seeing different things and calling them
**Speaker 1 :** UFOs or UPIs or whatever those things.
**Speaker 2 :** IPAs, UAPs, you do you observe a Hey, look. I am seriously dyslexic. You know how long it took me to say UFO?
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Well, one thing is for sure. Whatever each and all of them are, they're here. They're watching and they're definitely not asking for permission.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, that's true.
**Speaker 1 :** If you've seen something, if you've seen a craft come out of the water or felt like you were being watched from another dimension, send us your stories.
**Speaker 2 :** And if you've actually been like abducted, uh, send us your
**Speaker 1 :** And if your bed head of your bed goes boom boom boom all night and And you're the only one in it.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yes.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. Send us your stories.
**Speaker 2 :** So, moving on. We are introducing a new segment this week.
**Speaker 1 :** Yes. And we we're kind of excited about it because um it it's a lot of fun.
**Speaker 2 :** Hi, weird hid high strangeness.
**Speaker 1 :** High stranges. It's called This Week in Spooky News.
**Speaker 2 :** Spooky coop news. Spooky Coop News. I've lost my script. I don't...
**Speaker 1 :** This week in Spooky Coop News news.
**Speaker 2 :** So this week in Spooky Coop News, we have the Gravedigging Championship of Hungary. On September 5th, 2026, 38 professional gravediggers, Thank you, my love, for passing me the script. 38 professional gravediggers gathered in the The northern town. Oh, this is not fair.
**Speaker 1 :** This is true. The northern town true.
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**Speaker 2 :** Okay. This is your your guess. Your guess
**Speaker 1 :** your guess is as good as mine.
**Speaker 2 :** Your guess.
**Speaker 1 :** Just say Hungary. It's in in
**Speaker 2 :** some place in Hungary.
**Speaker 1 :** In the country of Hungary to compete in the 9th annual gravedigging contest organized by the Hungarian associ of cemetery maintainers and operators to elevate the prestige of the profession and break death related taboss.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, but it was dead there.
**Speaker 1 :** 19 twoman teams raced to dig a grave exactly 1.6 m deep.
**Speaker 2 :** Pushed the other one in. No, then
**Speaker 1 :** 2 m long and .8 m wide in summerbaked soil. The winning team compet completed the grueling task in 1 hour and 21 minutes, taking home a cash prize. of 200,000 Hungarian Florence. That's about $640 US.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. But did the LA who was the last team that came in dead last?
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**Speaker 1 :** Oh, these guys here in the I don't know.
**Speaker 2 :** So, next is the Syracuse figure cryptoid photo controversy heats up.
**Speaker 1 :** The photos of a mysterious hairy 4 foot n figure taken in a New York marshland dubbed the Syracuse figure. are dividing Bigfoot.
**Speaker 2 :** Well, that's really original.
**Speaker 1 :** Researchers some investigators from the Bigfoot field. Uh researchers researchers organization argue it could be a juvenile Sasquatch with visible brow ridge and wet fur. Skeptics say it's simply a naked elderly night swimmer.
**Speaker 2 :** A naked elderly night swimmer.
**Speaker 1 :** That's what you would expect to see
**Speaker 2 :** cuz they're covered with fear fur
**Speaker 1 :** diving into a swamp. covered with fur
**Speaker 2 :** swamp. There is nothing up this this way that is is warm water. Tall naked elderly swamp swimmer.
**Speaker 1 :** Harold, get back here on August.
**Speaker 2 :** And then now next we have uh in Minneapolis a shoe tying chaos.
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**Speaker 1 :** Shoe tying chaos.
**Speaker 2 :** Yes. Sammy Le's Minneapolis shoe tying chaos to be precise. On a August 30th, 2026, Minneapolis artist Sammy let launched a public stunt by posting flyers promising $10 to anyone who could find him in a public park and tie his shoe.
**Speaker 1 :** Is he that lazy?
**Speaker 2 :** Yes. The catch. He provided absolutely
**Speaker 1 :** the catch. He was wearing Velcro.
**Speaker 2 :** Velcro slip-ons. The He provided absolutely no description or identification. The stunt sparked delightful public chaos. Delightful public chaos. That's a new phrase. As eager participants roamed local parks approaching random bewildered strangers with untied shoes to see if they were the real
**Speaker 1 :** walking around with untied shoes. I think if somebody bent down to tie my shoes, I'd bonk them on the head.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. And then they turned a $10 challenge into a funny civic experiment on trust and altruism.
**Speaker 1 :** I guess I'm not that altruic or however
**Speaker 2 :** altruistic.
**Speaker 1 :** Altruistic.
**Speaker 2 :** Altruic. It it that's I don't know what that is.
**Speaker 1 :** UFO believer Sandra Bulock says she's she believes in UFO close. Huh?
**Speaker 2 :** The Oscar winning actress told reporters this week that she witnessed several unidentified craft in the sky over a beach in St. Martin, declaring there are alien ships flying around the sky and that she felt vindicated after re recent government UAP disclosures. She joked she no longer feels like an insane person for believing. Sandra, welcome to the club. What can I tell you?
**Speaker 1 :** Welcome in, Sandra.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. And then we have the unauthorized mayor lookalike contest. Oh, I got to hear this one. They look like Mayor Mc Cheese.
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**Speaker 1 :** This is pretty prosaic, but it's it's it is a strange piece of news. Regardless, on August 30th, 2026, hundreds of New Yorkers gathered to spectate a lively lookalike contest celebrating New York City Mayor Zoran Mami. Because organizers had not secured an official event permit, police asked the crowd to leave the park, forcing the entire contest to relocate just outside the gates. The humorous competition featured one cont one contestant who showed up shirtless in a kitchen apron.
**Speaker 2 :** Oh dear.
**Speaker 1 :** And that is
**Speaker 2 :** is the news this week.
**Speaker 1 :** The news this week
**Speaker 2 :** this week in spooky coop news.
**Speaker 1 :** This week in spooky coop news. So we have one story to round it out.
**Speaker 2 :** Yes we do.
**Speaker 1 :** And this is a very interesting story.
**Speaker 2 :** Now what's this one about?
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**Speaker 1 :** This one is about...
**Speaker 2 :** eyes. Oh god.
**Speaker 1 :** About a woman who uh who we met at a book signing
**Speaker 2 :** who told us a story that was really really weird.
**Speaker 1 :** Her name was Mandy.
**Speaker 2 :** Mhm.
**Speaker 1 :** And she said we could use her real name as long as we didn't use her last name. And uh she lives in this beautiful large home out past Andover, Massachusetts.
**Speaker 2 :** Mhm.
**Speaker 1 :** She got a lot of space. Uh she lives there with her family. She's been in the house more than 11 years. Well, it's way more than 11 years now. This was about 5 years ago.
**Speaker 2 :** Y
**Speaker 1 :** um and about six about 5 years ago, maybe six years ago now, she started dealing with a problem that denied all logic. She told us that uh well, flies. Yeah, flies. Go ahead, Paul.
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**Speaker 2 :** And we're not talking about a couple of fruit flies in the kitchen. She described them as massive, buzzing, black, sometimes even biting horse flies.
**Speaker 1 :** Oh, yeah. Thousands of them. I hate horse flies.
**Speaker 2 :** Oh yeah. She said they were huge. They were absolutely huge.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. They by their you I'm from Canada. Are you kidding? And nor out canoeing and these things descend down that mosquitoes saddle these things up and ride on their back. And yeeha.
**Speaker 2 :** She felt compelled. She felt compelled to tell us this after we told her about...
**Speaker 1 :** Anyway, she was compelled to tell us this after we told her a story about having these um having these uh flies come out of a flower we were looking at at a grave site.
**Speaker 2 :** Anyway, um uh maybe we have flies in the spooky coop. That was pretty cool. Anyway, um she uh
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**Speaker 1 :** she tried everything.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, she tried Yeah, she to told us she tried everything. She said it was like living in a horror movie. They were everywhere. They were in the windows. They were on the ceiling. They were like in the you know, if you looked up and saw a light fixture.
**Speaker 1 :** They were in the hallway. She said they tried everything. Pesticides, fly strips,
**Speaker 2 :** professional exterminators, and nothing worked.
**Speaker 1 :** Nothing.
**Speaker 2 :** She said they, you know, they'd clear out a room and 5 minutes later it would be swarmed again.
**Speaker 1 :** And the weirdest part, no matter how hard anyone, even the pros, looked, she said there was no source, no rotting food, no broken screens, no dead animals in the attic or basement. The pros put fly traps. They were always full to busting, but still there were thousands of huge black horse flies everywhere. They were just there landing on their food, their furniture, even on them. She said the house felt heavy, almost suffocating, and she felt like she was being watched, and the constant buzzing was just it just wore the family down.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. She said that um it turned out that she felt like the house didn't even want them there. It was like 11 years and all of a sudden she felt like the house had something wrong with it. It was like this supernatural force came at her.
**Speaker 1 :** But she also said that they didn't even believe in that stuff. Finally, she broke down and they called the church. She had to call several churches before she got a priest
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**Speaker 2 :** that was willing to check into it and come bless the house, right?
**Speaker 1 :** And it was like the flies were a physical manifestation manifestation of this bad energy.
**Speaker 2 :** Um and the first priest that she got was really skeptical and he told her uh to contact the uh extermination company and she told him that she had she told them all the different places she had actually had two different places come in and she added that they couldn't even sleep cuz the damn flies were at the there at night, right?
**Speaker 1 :** You know, and they couldn't eat. They had to start eating out because the food would get covered with flies.
**Speaker 2 :** God.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** So, at this point, she told him her family wasn't even sure if she believed it would do anything. But she was desperate.
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**Speaker 2 :** Yes, she was.
**Speaker 1 :** He ended up agreeing and she she told us the blessing turned out to be a very quiet, solemn process. The priests walked through every room, room by room, sprinkling sprinkling holy water and saying prayers. The flies never stopped, landing on him as he walked. Brave priest, she said that while he was in the living room, the buzzing was so loud it was almost deafening like flies were reacting. to him.
**Speaker 2 :** Hey, I don't know if you viewers can uh listeners can hear this. I don't even know if Paul can hear this, but I hear some strange music. H, that's weird. Anyway, and then um the moment the priest uh finished, do you remember her saying this? After the priest was done blessing all the rooms,
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**Speaker 1 :** right,
**Speaker 2 :** the flies disappeared, but they didn't like die and fall to the ground. No,
**Speaker 1 :** they were just...
**Speaker 2 :** Thank God. Yeah, but I mean they were She thought she was going to have to sweep them all up, but they were gone.
**Speaker 1 :** Sweep them up. Nothing operations that Well, she...
**Speaker 2 :** But they were gone. They They were just gone. There wasn't a single one left. They didn't fly out a window. They didn't fall on the floor. They were just gone. Is it's if they had never ever existed,
**Speaker 1 :** right? This was totally unexplainable.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah, it really was.
**Speaker 1 :** Any normal means for sure.
**Speaker 2 :** It it it I mean, it's really just a chilling thought, isn't it, that a physical manifestation could be tied so closely to a paranormal one?
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**Speaker 1 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** In a person's home like that.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah. I mean, you know, there was something physical, but it was paranormal. You know, it really makes you wonder um what we're really dealing with when we have these unexplained problems. It can't be simply biology. I mean, when you realize that they disappeared,
**Speaker 2 :** must be something going on.
**Speaker 1 :** Right. Right. So, Mandy's life went back to normal the next day. Hey.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** Soon thereafter, I guess. And no more flies. No more buzzing. Just a quiet, peaceful home. But she told us she'll never look at a fly the same way.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. She told us she actually got one of those. You know, those things look like tennis rackets, but they they zap.
**Speaker 1 :** Oh, yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. She's got one in every room now. Anyway, I don't know. Uh, you know, last time we heard from her was, you know, quite a while ago. So, I hope that uh she makes sure she gets good batteries,
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**Speaker 1 :** right? Anyway, it's a remember that sometimes the answer to our problems just isn't found in a bottle of pesticides or um or a bottle of wine, I guess.
**Speaker 2 :** Yeah. So, it's tied to the energy.
**Speaker 1 :** Yeah.
**Speaker 2 :** Around us. Yeah.
**Speaker 1 :** Yep. But anyway, Mandy, thank you for sharing with us. Um we tell this story sometimes at uh when we give talks, not all the time, but sometimes. It is an interesting story and we're happy to be able to share it with you, our listeners.
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