First, they explore infamous broadcast interruptions and eerie radio mysteries, including the 1977 Southern Television intrusion, Chicago’s baffling Max Headroom signal hijack, Cold War-era numbers stations, and the legendary Russian shortwave signal known as “The Buzzer.” Is it military communication, a doomsday backup plan, an alien hotline, or just the world’s creepiest automated hold music? Then the conversation takes a more personal turn with stories of phone calls, voicemails, and uncanny signals reportedly received after a loved one has died. From static-filled calls and Morse-code messages to a grandmother’s warning that may have saved a young man from a terrible accident, Paul and Michelle consider the comfort, mystery, and emotional power of these experiences. In this episode: Phantom radio signals, broadcast hijackings, and Cold War numbers stations Russia’s mysterious shortwave “Buzzer” The Lincolnshire Poacher and its unsettling coded broadcasts Reported phone calls and voicemails from departed loved ones A Morse-code call from a late grandfather Michelle’s real-life story of a grandmother’s possible warning from beyond Why personal paranormal experiences can mean so much, whether or not they can be explained Keep your eyes open, your mind open, and if your phone rings with an unfamiliar number… maybe let it go to voicemail first. See you in the Spooky Coop.
What happens when the airwaves get strange—and the caller may no longer be among the living?
In this episode of Spooky Coop, Michelle and Paul investigate mysterious broadcasts that have unsettled listeners for decades. From the eerie 1977 Southern Television signal interruption and Chicago’s legendary Max Headroom hijacking to Cold War numbers stations and Russia’s ever-buzzing shortwave mystery, “The Buzzer,” they explore the real history behind broadcasts that sound like they came from somewhere—or someone—unexpected.
Then, they turn to one of the most personal paranormal experiences people report: phone calls from the dead. Paul and Michelle share stories of static-filled calls, familiar voices, unexplained voicemails, Morse-code messages, and a grandmother’s warning that may have prevented a tragedy. Are these technical glitches, grief reaching for meaning, or signs that our loved ones can still find a way to say, “I’m okay”?
Expect spooky signals, strange codes, bad impressions, tender stories, and at least one joke about collect calls from the afterlife.
The stories in this episode are shared as reported experiences, folklore, and unexplained events. We invite you to listen with curiosity, compassion, and a healthy respect for your phone’s spam filter.
If you enjoy the show, please subscribe, share the episode with a fellow spooky friend, and send us your own strange stories. Until next time: be safe, be kind, and keep one ear on the airwaves.
See you in the Spooky Coop.
# "Spooky Coop" Podcast Transcript
## Episode 54: Phantom Radio and Ghostly Phone Calls
**Hosts:**
- **Speaker 1 (Paul)**
- **Speaker 2 (Michelle)**
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*[00:00]*
**speaker2**: This week on Spooky Coop, episode number 54, Paul and Michelle talk about phantom radio station broadcasts, followed by stories about telephone calls from the dead.
**speaker1**: Hi everyone, I'm Paul.
**speaker2**: And I'm Michelle.
**speaker1**: And you're in
**speaker2**: the Spooky Coop.
**speaker1**: Welcome to the spooky
**speaker2**: Hope you're not chicken.
**speaker1**: Two.
**speaker2**: One.
**speaker1**: Hello, Michelle.
**speaker2**: Hey, Paul.
**speaker1**: How are you doing today?
**speaker2**: I'm okay. I'm starting to think we're allergic to our dogs.
**speaker1**: I think the hay fever season and, you know, the ragweed season now that it's out is uh doing us not very much good at all here
**speaker1**: with our our sniffles and everything.
**speaker2**: Yeah.
**speaker2**: Um well, Welcome back everybody. We are certainly glad to have you. For first-time visitors, thank you so much. Once we're done here today, please subscribe. We need subscribers. Please subscribe. We love We love it when you tune in.
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**speaker2**: Today we're going to talk about two subjects.
**speaker1**: Actually, a little bit of a third.
**speaker2**: A little bit of a third.
**speaker1**: Yeah.
**speaker2**: Yeah. We're going to talk about ghost radio signals. and bizarre radio signals.
**speaker1**: And bizarre radio signals.
**speaker2**: Yep.
**speaker1**: Station Bizaro.
**speaker1**: This is an interesting topic that I don't know that people uh hear about more. And you know what? In my research, I found out that this happens to a lot of people and a lot of people don't have a chance to talk about it with most people because it is a topic that's sort of taboo.
**speaker2**: Mhm.
**speaker1**: Yeah. A lot of people don't believe them when
**speaker2**: pray tell you give us a hint.
*[02:00]*
**speaker1**: Um, calls from the dead.
**speaker2**: Calls from the dead.
**speaker1**: Mhm.
**speaker2**: Yeah. You think that from the other side it might be a toll call.
**speaker1**: Oh,
**speaker1**: could you imagine? Hi Michelle, this is your mom. I'm calling collect.
**speaker2**: Yeah, I can I can I can
**speaker2**: I can easily think of my mother calling collect. Anyway, would you like to start?
**speaker1**: Sure. Our first subject today is about ghost radio signals. Though not necessarily a paranormal thing, it is a very curious event that has occurred over the decades. In 1970, as an example, in 1977, viewers across southern England heard a 4-minute voice interruption over southern television. The speaker called himself Villain.
**speaker2**: Verilon.
**speaker1**: Vylon. Villain. Verylon. And gave a message about peace.
*[03:00]*
**speaker2**: Vill gave a message about peace. Not a bad message, a good message. The regulators surviving rec records confirm an interruption occurred and it's generally treated as a terrestrial signal which was hijacked or hoaxed though no culprit was ever established.
**speaker1**: You know in Chicago around 10 years later many viewers saw the famous hex max headroom
**speaker2**: say it in English. Try
**speaker1**: headroom. I was just trying to say it like he does. People cannot read your lips over the
**speaker1**: head room. He broke into two stations on the same night. Um and reporting says that the investig regarding it as an illegal interference that overpowered stations, transmitted links, and was a responsible person was never known. But they kind of made a a radio show out of it. Not a radio show, a TV show.
**speaker2**: So, I wonder if they ever found out because
**speaker1**: connection.
**speaker2**: I don't know cuz they did make a TV show.
**speaker1**: They did make a It didn't like last long,
*[04:00]*
**speaker2**: but they did make a TV show.
**speaker1**: Yes, I remember that show.
**speaker2**: Yeah. It wasn't very good.
**speaker1**: Yeah. It was a sort of a weird really cultish type of thing.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Sort of a dystopian thing.
**speaker1**: Mhm. So, next example is during the Cold War, multiple listeners across wide areas of Europe beyond regularly logged
**speaker2**: and beyond
**speaker1**: and Europe and beyond.
**speaker1**: Third paragraph before I stopped being able to articulate English again. So, during the Cold War, multiple listeners across wide areas of Europe and beyond regularly logged numbers stations Yeah, which is like anonymous stations just projected numbers.
**speaker1**: Anonymous shortwave voices reading number groups, tones or or coded phrases. Some were later supported by declassified evidence as espionage communications, not ghosts, but genuinely eerie shared broadcasts.
**speaker2**: 7 10 4 9. Those are the numbers you need to play today.
**speaker1**: If anyone hits it, you heard it from me.
*[05:00]*
**speaker1**: That's right. That's right. Uh, a more localized analog is the 1986 phantom disruption of Dublin station Q102 where someone entered its transmitter link and aired radio Nova Jingles. It was heard by the station's regular audience and treated as an unopen. That
**speaker2**: means 12 people.
**speaker1**: 12 people and I don't know. It could be popular.
**speaker2**: We don't want to insult them. They may have very popular. It was hundreds of thousands.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Okay. Anyway, It was treated as an unauthorized breakin.
**speaker2**: H anyway um
**speaker1**: so now th this this next story um
**speaker2**: is rather long
**speaker1**: in relation to all of this is uh the ghostly radio station that no one seems to run. And we I was researching this. This is from a BBC report uh back in 2020 by Zerea Gorvitt. And
*[06:00]*
**speaker2**: he said he G I I'm sorry. Zariah in the Zariah girl. I don't know, but it's a Russian name.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Anyway, in the middle of a Russian swamp land not far from the city of St. Petersburg is a rectangular iron gate. And beyond its rusted bars is a collection of radio towers, abandoned buildings, and power lines bordered by a dry stone wall.
**speaker2**: And this it's sort of a sinister looking location. I guess it's the focus of a mystery which stretches back to the height of the Cold War.
**speaker1**: Wow. Wow.
**speaker2**: It's thought to be the headquarters of radio station MDZHB.
**speaker1**: Um, how would that uh MD
**speaker2**: Dr. Zoo
**speaker1**: Dr. Okay. And uh no one no one has ever claimed to run run this this station, but uh it runs 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
**speaker2**: It might be on like an auto thing.
*[07:00]*
**speaker1**: Yep. And it's run for the last three and a half dec Wow.
**speaker1**: Has been broadcasting a dull, monotonous tone. That's That's me. They've recorded me sleeping. And
**speaker2**: you're not dull and you talk in your sleep and sometimes you talk languages.
**speaker1**: Do I?
**speaker2**: That Yeah. That I don't know.
**speaker1**: Oh yeah.
**speaker2**: It's really freaky.
**speaker1**: Mhm.
**speaker2**: Mhm.
**speaker1**: My mother used to do that. She used to speak Basque.
**speaker2**: Yeah. But you're not speak of nights ago, you went, "Oh no, a tiger."
**speaker1**: A tiger. Yeah. No. My mother used to say speak in Bask in her sleep, but she never knew French or or Basque or Spanish.
**speaker2**: Then how did you know it was Basque?
**speaker1**: Because we looked it up.
**speaker2**: Oh,
**speaker1**: evidence experiments are good.
**speaker2**: Anyway, so
**speaker1**: every few seconds it
*[08:00]*
**speaker1**: Yeah. Every few seconds it's joined by a second sound, this monotonous tone, and it's like a a ghostly ship sounding. It's fogghorn. And then the drone continues.
**speaker2**: Oo. I wonder um how they, you know, found out about it.
**speaker1**: Yeah. So for once or twice a week a man or woman uh will read out some words in Russian such as dingy or farming specialist.
**speaker2**: Dingy or farming? You know, that's weird because of the um fog horn.
**speaker1**: Mhm.
**speaker2**: So,
**speaker1**: horn.
**speaker2**: So, you're telling me the truth. This is
**speaker1**: Yes. Really real.
**speaker2**: This is real real. Yeah.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Wow.
**speaker1**: Yeah. So, that's it. Any anyone anywhere in the world can listen to this. It's shortwave. Shortwave travels all around the planet.
**speaker1**: And uh simply by tuning a radio to the frequency 4 625 kHz.
**speaker2**: Wow.
**speaker1**: It's so enigmatic. It's as if it was designed with conspiracy theorists in mind.
**speaker2**: Maybe it is. Maybe they're just trying to drive people crazy.
*[09:00]*
**speaker1**: It's a Dungeons and Dragon group from from Vladistto who
**speaker2**: Oh, I don't know.
**speaker1**: Playing silly buggers with the rest of the planet here.
**speaker2**: So, and today,
**speaker2**: can you hear it online?
**speaker1**: Uh, I don't know. That's a good question. That would be interesting to know. I I I guess if somebody took that signal and re re broadcasted over the internet. Maybe somebody has that. So anyway, today the station it Oh, it does have an online following numbering in the tens of thousands. Wow. Then they now they affectionately call it the buzzer,
**speaker2**: but it doesn't buzz.
**speaker1**: It does. Well, I don't know if it buzzes.
**speaker2**: That's
**speaker2**: They think it's from the Russian military, I bet.
*[10:00]*
**speaker1**: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm sure that is. Yeah. And they've never actually admitted to this, the Russian military, but it first began broadcasting at the close of the Cold War when communism was in decline. Today it's transmitted from two locations, the St. Petersburg site and
**speaker2**: you mentioned
**speaker1**: h
**speaker2**: the one you mentioned.
**speaker1**: Yeah. And the loca and a location near Moscow. Bizarrely, after the collapse of the uh Soviet Union, rather than shutting it down, the station's activity sharply increased.
**speaker2**: Oo. I wonder um I wonder if it's like if it was something that was like getting outside the Soviet Union and once the Soviet Union and broke down. It was the people who were trying to break down.
*[11:00]*
**speaker1**: I don't know. Gorbachev was the first leader. There was I'm sure the KGB, which is now I what do you I don't know. I forget what you call them. This happens. It's like being in an elevator elevator with a famous person. Mind goes blank. I can't remember the politicians and the name of the intelligence agencies that were active at the time when the Soviet Union collapsed. Um that but uh you know they they may well have seen a serious threat and decided to up their their ante in the game, you know.
**speaker2**: So there's no short of theories to explain what the buzzer might be for, ranging from keeping in touch with submarines to communing with aliens.
**speaker1**: One such idea is that it's acting as a dead hand signal and in the event Russia is hit by a nuclear attack, the drone will stop and automatically trigger a retaliation. No questions asked, just total nuclear obliteration on both sides.
**speaker2**: Well, that's creepy. Intriguingly, there is a station with some striking similarities.
*[12:00]*
**speaker1**: Yeah. The Lincolnshire Poacher. Is that what it's called? I think. Yeah. It ran in the middle of the 1970s to 2008, but apparently it didn't work that great cuz there's no like nuclear war.
**speaker1**: Just like the buzzer, it could be heard on the other side of the planet. And just like the buzzer, it admitted um it eliminated from the
**speaker2**: emanated it emanated.
**speaker1**: It emanated.
**speaker1**: I can't read.
**speaker2**: It didn't eliminate. It emanated
**speaker1**: from an undisclosed location to somewhere in Cyprus.
**speaker1**: And just like the buzzer, it transmitted
**speaker2**: and it was creepy.
**speaker1**: Plain creepy stuff.
**speaker1**: Yeah. At the beginning of every hour, the situation the station in the station would play the first two bars of an English folk tune. And you know, I'm not going to sing it because I have no idea. year.
**speaker2**: Yeah, me either.
**speaker1**: Yeah, I should have looked it up.
*[13:00]*
**speaker1**: We'll read the words and the people in England will know. Oh, it is my delight on a shining night in the season of the year when I was bound apprentice in a famous Lincolnshshire.
**speaker2**: Lincoln share wanted to rhyme.
**speaker1**: It was well I served my master for non seven years.
**speaker1**: After repeating this 12 times, do you think they'd only repeat it seven?
**speaker2**: Mhm.
**speaker1**: It would move on to messages read by a disembodied voice. Well, you wouldn't hear a bodied voice on the radio, right?
**speaker2**: Um, and a woman reading groups of five numbers.
**speaker1**: We're bodied voices. Oh, and look, here's the winning winning lottery ticket number.
**speaker1**: 1 12 036. It was always that same number in a clipped Oh, 127 036. That's my best clipped upper class English accent.
**speaker2**: Your English accent sucks, dear. I'm sorry.
**speaker1**: Do we suggest this is a spy activity? Maybe. I think so.
*[14:00]*
**speaker2**: I think so. It's not really par paranormal, per se, but it definitely ranks up there in the really weird category.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Now, phantom signals. These are not the only phantom signals out there. We're also talking about phone calls from the dead. Remember, we mentioned that earlier.
**speaker2**: Yep. Yep. People claim to have had real phone calls from the dead. And I realize we're straying a bit from radio messages, but both subjects involve signals from unknown sources. So, We're going to put them together. Phone calls from the dead accounts often described uh brief staticfilled calls happening after a loved one passed away. But before we get into that, there's another phone call anomaly that we'd like to briefly touch on. If you'd like to go into into more depth on it on this phenomena, listen to episode 6 where we talk about it more.
*[15:00]*
**speaker2**: In that episode, we talk about a cursed Indian lamp. And that curse was on any owner at the time that they received the lamp. And when they did, they would start getting phone calls from an ent entity disguising itself as a living person. Now, let's continue on our actual phone calls from the dead. But seriously, it's worth going back and listening to that cuz it was really creepy.
**speaker1**: Mhm. And it happened to me personally.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Anyway, let's talk let's look at our first unknown account. See, I did that. It's all about me. I'm a
**speaker1**: blahy blahy blah blah blah.
*[16:00]*
**speaker2**: Let's go back to our first well-known accounts, not unknown account. Um, uh, that you'll often probably see this one on the web, um, and discussions about it. It's a story of Charles Peek following a 2008 Metroink train collision in California. In the hours after the crash, his family received dozens of calls from his cell phone. When they answered it, there was just silent or static.
**speaker2**: It's an example that's worth looking at. Even though the technical explanation most cited is that the phone was damaged or triggered by the crash and continued to dial on its own, this is rare but can happen. But there is no way to know for sure as his physical phone was never found.
**speaker1**: That's right. Regardless of this, many feel it was not just a technical glitch because it highlights the intentional aspect. Researchers talked about the family felt a profound lingering connection to those calls. They felt as if Charles was somehow reaching out to them. It wasn't just a glitch. It was like a bridge to the other side.
**speaker2**: Right.
**speaker1**: Then there's a classic case documented by researchers like D. Scott uh Gar, what's his name?
**speaker2**: Rogo, I believe.
**speaker1**: Rogo.
**speaker2**: Rogo Agogo.
*[17:00]*
**speaker1**: Rogo Agogo. Dr. It's a It's about a woman grieving the loss of her mother reportedly se reported
**speaker1**: she reportedly received a call on her landline. The caller ID showed her mother's phone number even though the house had been emptied for weeks.
**speaker2**: And when she picked it up, she heard her mother's voice as clear as day saying, "I'm all right, dear. Don't worry." And then the line went dead.
*[18:00]*
**speaker1**: That is the classic comfort call. It's not about grand revelations. It's about about a final necessary reassurance. Now, let's talk about some experiences that haven't made it into the textbooks, but feel just as grounded in the human experience. These are stories that could happen to anyone. The first one comes from a listener who lost her grandfather, a man who was obsessed with Morse code messaging and was part of a messaging club. A few months after he passed, she and her family were cleaning out his workshop, you know that you know how you have to do that, you know, it's kind of the hard part,
**speaker2**: right?
**speaker1**: Yeah. I mean, after the person dying
*[19:00]*
**speaker2**: when her cell phone was sitting on the workbench and it started ringing and it was a strange number she didn't, you know, have before, but it didn't go to her spam and she had a really good filter. So, she decided to answer it. At first, she didn't hear any voice. Then, she reported she reported she said a hello a couple of times and she was about to hang up when uh when no one was answering back. You know how it is you say, "Hello, hello." And anyway, then a rhythmic clicking of what she knew was Morse code and it sounded just like her grandfather's machine started coming out of the phone. It she quickly absolutely quickly put it on speakerphone and the clicking just lasted long enough for everyone from her family who was there to hear it just for a second or two and then the call dropped. Wow.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Her father being the logical one in the branch of the family summized it was one of the club members who must have forgotten to take her uh father off of the uh you know
**speaker1**: logical logical thing to think. Yeah.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Off of a group call. Um so he decided to call the number back and tell them that the you know what happened
*[20:00]*
**speaker2**: but instead he got a message you know that do the number you have reached is no longer you know yeah is no longer in service. So, I'm sure they were sorry no one there knew Morris code or wrote it down as it happened so fast. But do you think it was a Morse coded message?
**speaker1**: Uh, maybe. But since the grandfather knew no one else in the family knew Morse code, perhaps it was just a signature, you know, a way of saying I'm here. Um, you know, maybe through a language sort, you know,
**speaker1**: I mean, I know that sounds like a pun, but only the family would understand. that he, you know, talked in that he talked Morse code,
*[21:00]*
**speaker1**: right? And the second one, the second one, this one is a bit more haunting is about a voicemail a man found on his phone one morning. The st the timestamp was from 3:13 a.m. When he played it, he heard the sound of his late wife humming a song she used to sing while gardening. It wasn't a recording. She He never recorded her. It was just the sound of her humming, clearly heard in the static of the white noise. His his wife had been gone for more than 3 years. It's it's really chilling, but in a way that feels so sweet and touching as well. It's a like a loving soul long gone from your arms returns to your life in a way to let you know all is well. On the other hand, for some it may have feel like a monster reaching out to you from the darkness to deceive you, like to make you think that something terrible has happened, like someone's out there to make you think that maybe that person is not really the person who you expect.
*[22:00]*
**speaker1**: But of course, there will be those who will hold, you know, who'll hold on tightly to the idea that these events are just things that they imagine are created in their own comfort. If you But if you've experienced such a thing, you'll know the truth.
**speaker2**: Mhm. Yes. Yeah. The people who've experienced these types of phone calls are not trying to get to find a a a coping skill for grief. It it's something else in entirely.
**speaker1**: Yeah. And no matter what conclusions each of us come to as individuals on or phone call
**speaker2**: Well, you at least listen, you got 15 paragraphs before your your mouth blew up. Go ahead.
**speaker1**: Anyway, I'm just going to say it. I'm not even going to read it. Okay.
*[23:00]*
**speaker1**: Anyway, as far as the conclusion goes, each of us came to each of us comes to an uh our own in our own individual idea of what phone calls from the dead are. The phenomenon focuses on us. Do we really lose the people we love or do they just change the way they reach out to us?
**speaker2**: Right? These calls, regardless of how they get to the receiver, serve a purpose, they give the living a moment to hold on to, a second to breathe, and a reason to believe that the connection doesn't end with a heartbeat.
**speaker1**: Yeah.
**speaker2**: Or the or or no more heartbeats.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Think of it. Yeah. Think of it. Thank you. Anyway, I just want you to know that we have more stories about this on our website if you guys want to go check it out.
*[24:00]*
**speaker2**: Mhm. Yeah. We've expanded the website so that if you go to the bonus goodies tab and underneath there there's uh also we're going to put that's where we're going to put up all the stories and pictures and all man everything that we can find that could uh
**speaker1**: Yeah. And um we have a couple of uh unique stories up there. Yep.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Oh, and um since we have a little time, I wanted to tell you another story about about a a young man who um I knew uh this was a long long time ago.
**speaker1**: Um and we were t just talking about phone calls from the dead at the time,
**speaker2**: right?
**speaker2**: And um this was my first experience with someone telling me about a phone call from the dead.
**speaker2**: Um he was in my high school class and he said that um that morning he always drove to school with another guy in their car. Yeah, right. I'm not going to use their names.
*[25:00]*
**speaker2**: And he said that that morning he got a phone call. This is back when phones had the big wires and big handle. He got a phone call and it was his he said nana. It was his nana, his grandma. Okay. And she had died
um maybe a couple of weeks before. I remember I remember going to her funeral and she said to him, "Be sure not to be late for the bus." And it really freaked him out. He's like, "Nana, Nana.
**speaker1**: Yeah.
**speaker2**: And then he was all chilled and he told his mother, "Nana just called me." And she said, "Oh, yeah. You know, tell me another one." Right.
*[26:00]*
**speaker2**: She didn't believe him, but he was really, really shook up. So, um, he called his friend and he said, "I'm taking the bus today. Don't bother picking me up." And so, usually he didn't take the bus, but he got on the bus that day and he went to school and everything was fine. Um, when he got to school, his friend didn't show up and uh Turns out um that on the way to school, his friend was uh t-boned
**speaker2**: and uh his friend was fine. He just had a few scrapes.
**speaker2**: But the passenger side of his car was completely crushed in.
**speaker1**: Oh man.
**speaker2**: And if this kid had been in that passenger side, he would have got seriously hurt or seriously hurt.
**speaker1**: He would have got seriously hurt. So his Dana actually showed up and warned him
ahead of time.
**speaker2**: Yeah. Made him take the bus.
**speaker1**: Remarkable.
*[27:00]*
**speaker2**: Yeah. And um I don't remember the story word for word, but I know Dean Coots, the author, also got a call from his grandmother and it had something to do with his grandfather. And I wish I knew the details. Maybe some of the readers can uh some of the listeners can uh write in and tell me the de the details of that one because I remember thinking it was very interesting.
**speaker1**: Is there still any information available online about it?
**speaker2**: Um I believe there is, but I didn't go and uh research it.
**speaker1**: Well then, hey, we that's our job. We got to go find out now.
**speaker2**: Nobody gives them a reason to contact us
**speaker1**: and engage. Yeah.
**speaker2**: Yeah.
*[28:00]*
**speaker1**: Well, what a fascinating story. You know, with stories like Calls from the Dead, they differ from these phantom radio stations. Phantom, you can verify and scientifically measure and all that stuff. With a phantom radio station, you at least have some record of it. With a phone call from the dead, you know, unless you're recording, which is so very rare. And these things a lot a lot of these things happen before cell phones, you know.
**speaker2**: Yeah. But even cell phones seem to get them
**speaker1**: get them. Yeah. And but they it's a difference between belief and knowing. For the person this happened to, it's their experience. They know they know what happened, right? You know, and then it moves very quickly into the realm of stories and and urban legends and all this sort of stuff. But for people who experience it, it's something you'll always remember and take with you.
**speaker2**: It's something you know, but when you tell it to other people, they either believe it or they don't believe it.
**speaker1**: Right.
**speaker2**: When I was researching believe you believe it, which is even more insane,
*[29:00]*
**speaker2**: horrible. Yeah. When I was researching this, I saw a lot of people who um some of it had comments under it, and I saw a lot of people who said things like, "I really believe this. After my mother died, I got a phone call and she told me everything's okay."
**speaker1**: Um uh I got a um you know, my phone rang and when I picked it up, one woman even said my phone rang and when I picked it up, I heard a dog barking and I knew it was my um dog blah blah blah. You have to understand I live alone and this dog has been my companion for 15 years.
**speaker1**: Um you know a lot of different people uh wrote one woman had lost a child and she picked up the phone she heard the child's voice say, "Mommy, I'm okay."
**speaker2**: Uhhuh.
**speaker1**: Yeah.
*[30:00]*
**speaker1**: So um I talked to some people when I researched this
**speaker2**: Mhm.
**speaker1**: And um you know I got well you can hear you'll see some of that on the website if you go there
**speaker2**: right and I I suppose you know the consensus of belief around these things can be cultural cultural as well. Uh for instance we recently one of our listeners from the Philippines was explaining to us that um the understanding and the way people treat the existence of ghosts is very different in the Philippines than it is over here in North America.
**speaker2**: They're much more open about it and it's um you know it's a part of their society.
**speaker1**: Yeah. Same thing in Mexico.
**speaker2**: In Mexico. Yeah.
**speaker1**: Mhm.
**speaker1**: So, my dear, I guess that does it for us on this episode.
**speaker2**: Mhm.
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**speaker1**: Yeah. Thank you everyone here in the United States and around the world. We're very grateful that you've joined us. Be good. Be safe. Take care of one another. Be good to each other. Love one another.
**speaker2**: Mhm. That sounds good to me.
**speaker1**: That sounds good. So, Keep your eyes open.
**speaker2**: Keep your eyes open
**speaker1**: and your mind open
**speaker2**: and your Yes. Absolutely. Eyes on the skies. If you're a UFO person.
**speaker1**: Yes. Until
**speaker2**: And if you're Bigfoot person, go see if you can get bigger shoes.
**speaker1**: Oh, that's so bad. Everybody, thank you again for joining us. Until next time when we see you
**speaker2**: in the Spooky.
**speaker1**: Hey, there we go. I think that came out nice. How long was it? I liked our little banter at the end.