Spooky Coop

SC-EP-50: Spontaneous Combustion & 2 Hauntings

Episode Summary

In this episode of the Spooky Coupe podcast, hosts Paul and Michelle examine the unsettling phenomenon of spontaneous human combustion. They discuss historical and modern cases, such as Mary Reeser and Michael Faherty, while debating the scientific validity of the wick effect theory. The conversation highlights the forensic mysteries of these events, specifically how human bodies can be reduced to ash without damaging their immediate surroundings. Beyond this central mystery, the hosts share personal anecdotes involving misinterpreted signs of combustion from their own lives. The episode concludes with two listener-submitted stories detailing unexplained physical anomalies and hauntings in private residences. One account describes a hidden room with impossible geometry, while the other focuses on poltergeist activity and a chilling message discovered in a bathroom.

Episode Notes

Paul and Michelle explore a collection of eerie cases of Spontaneous Human Combustion and listener-submitted encounters of personal hauntings:

The mystery of Spontaneous Human Combustion, including the cases of Mary Reeser and Michael Faherty.

A middle-school teacher’s escalating experiences with moving objects, unexplained messages, and a presence that may be attached to him rather than his home.

An architect who discovers a room that should not exist behind an attic wall.

Are these paranormal encounters, failures of perception, or something stranger? Join Spooky Coop as Paul and Michelle follow the stories—and the shadows.

Episode Transcription

[00:00]

Speaker 1 : This week on Spooky Coop, episode number 50, Paul and Michelle  discuss the subject of spontaneous human combustion, followed by two listener submitted stories about their strange hauntings. 

Speaker 1 :Hi everyone, I'm Paul.

Speaker 2 : and I'm Michelle.

Speaker 1 : and you're in.

Speaker 2 : the Spooky Coop.

Music : Welcome to the Spooky Coop. Hope you're not chicken. 

Speaker 1: Hello, Michelle.

Speaker 2 : Hey, Paul. How's it going?

Speaker 1 : I'm doing just fantastic, thank you. And everybody, welcome back to the Spooky Coop. I'm Paul.

Speaker 2 : And I'm Michelle.

Speaker 1 : And tonight, we're peeling back the layers of one of the most unsettling mysteries in forensic history. Spontaneous Human Combustion. Come on, baby. Light my fire.

Speaker 2 : Uhhuh.

Speaker 1 : It's a phenomena that has haunted police and fire department and people for centuries. Even Charles Dixon.

Speaker 2 : Dixon.

Speaker 1 : Dixon.

Speaker 2 : You mean that brother Charles?

Speaker 1 : We haven't even gotten through the first few paragraphs. And already I can't speak English again. Oh, I'll say it. Even Charles Dickens, he wrote about it in Bleaker House. I actually read everything Charles Dickens wrote.

Speaker 2 : You did?

Speaker 1 : Yeah, I sure did. That's because I'm a little bit smart. Just a little bit. Um, no, not really. I just had to go to high school at a Catholic school. Anyway, anyway, um, in Bleak House, Dickens actually wrote about spontaneous human combustion. One of his characters, um, it's so funny. His name is Krook. He happened to be a test.

Speaker 2 : Krook combusted.

Speaker 1 : Yeah, he combust. He was, uh, he became combusted. Yeah, he was a tax collector if I remember correctly. Anyway, he combusted and that was way back when in a book called Bleak House. I could go into the story, but I'm not going to different story.

Speaker 2 : Did he turn into ashes and eyeballs?

Speaker 1 : No eyeballs.

Speaker 2 : No eyeballs. Everything's gone.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. Anyway, um so if you guys haven't heard about it, everyone's heard about it, I think, but if you haven't, spontaneous human combustion is when a body just burns, leaving behind a pile of ash, maybe a limb or two that isn't even scorched or anything. Sometimes socks and shoes are still on that haven't been burned.

[02:00]

Speaker 1 : It leaves that manual what to do when engulfed in flames that they distribute in Japanese hotel rooms. It's not even close to being good at that point. Just you're just gone.

Speaker 2 : You know what the weird part about it is? Is that the body is like absolutely gone. But sometimes there might be a limb or whatever—the chair they're sitting in is not touched.

Speaker 1 : Is not touched. Anyway, let's go into it. So, skeptics will immediately point to the wick effect. It's a standard scientific explanation. They say the body acts like an inside out candle. And the theory is that clothing acts as a wick and the body's subcutaneous fat acts as the fuel. And that once it's ignited, perhaps by a stray cigarette, the body burns slowly over several hours, liquefying the fat. Which keeps the wick burning until the body's destroyed.

Speaker 2 : Yeah. What happens if it's like a real thin person? Anyway, it sounds logical on paper, but really it doesn't. Um, when you look at the actual forensic reports on this, the Wick effect starts to look a little desperate to try to explain the effect.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. I was asking Michelle about the wick effect because I hadn't heard of it before. She said that they tested it on pigs and—

Speaker 2 : Oh, yeah. And he goes, "Oh, those terrible people. How could they do that?" And I'm like, "Yeah, but you know, it's like a pig body." And he was like, "Thank God."

Speaker 1 : She pointed out to me the pigs were dead when they did this.

Speaker 2 : So gruesome the whole thing, you know. God.

Speaker 1 : Well, you know, there was—let's start with the first case.

Speaker 2 : Okay. Let's talk about the Cinder Lady.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. Go ahead. You start.

Speaker 2 : You want me to Start?

Speaker 1 : Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 : Okay. Mary Reeser in 1951.

Speaker 1 : Okay. She's one of the most famous cases in modern history. Mary Reeser was known as the Cinder Lady from St. Petersburg, Florida. Mary was an elderly woman living alone. And one morning on July 2nd, her landlady went to deliver a telegram and found the front door handle was hot to the touch. Now that's interesting.

[04:00]

Speaker 2 : Yeah.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. When police finally entered, they found a scene that defies physics.

Speaker 2 : Yeah. They found her and her apartment was like intact. Like things weren't melted or burnt. There was no stuff like that. Um there was no fire damage to the walls. There was no smoke damage. You know, the ceiling wasn't all charred or smoke or anything, right?

Speaker 1 : Um there was a stack of newspapers, magazines, and stuff right next to her and that wasn't charred or hadn't caught fire or anything.

Speaker 2 : And burnt.

Speaker 1 : Yep.

Speaker 2 : And but she was sitting there and she was not her. She was a pile of ashes on the chair.

Speaker 1 : Mary was gone.

Speaker 2 : Yeah, she was gone. She was—and there was a single foot wearing a slipper right next to her.

Speaker 1 : And the only bone that wasn't turned to complete ash was her skull. There was no hair on it or nothing. It was just like Trump. You know, people said there's like a myth saying her skull shrunk, but that wasn't an official report, though. You might find that on the internet.

Speaker 2 : Right. That rumor talked about her skull shrinking down to like 4 inches across. Crazy.

Speaker 1 : That didn't really happen. Um that was just in some rag somewhere and it got wheels on it.

Speaker 2 : But her skull was the only bone that was left alive.

Speaker 1 : So, this is where the wick effect fails. To reduce a human body to ash, you need temperatures exceeding 3,000° F for a sustained period of time. And a standard house fire doesn't reach those temperatures. And if a fire did get that hot, the entire apartment building would have been consumed. Studies by the FBI confirm that in the wick effect, the highest temperature that can be achieved is 1,400° F.

[06:00]

Speaker 2 : Yeah. That's less than half of what they need.

Speaker 1 : What they need, right?

Speaker 2 : To ash—to get bones to ash.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. And this which they explained to be hot enough to cause total ash effect of spontaneous human combustion, but that's been proven untrue. As you just mentioned, fire has to be sustained above 3,000 degrees for a period of time in order for bones to turn to ash.

Speaker 2 : You know, I watched their the wick effect proof video.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. And what they did after is um they had chunks of bone in it and they just were like, "See, that's not what happens with spontaneous human combustion."

Speaker 2 : Right. Exactly. So, the fire investigators were baffled. They noted that the heat was so intense it had disintegrated bone. Aha.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : Yet, it was so localized that it didn't even melt the plastic switches on the nearby wall. Um, how does a fire burn at 3,000° but stop cold at the edge of a chair? It doesn't. It's not a fire. It's an event.

Speaker 1 : Exactly. I mean, can you believe that?

Speaker 2 : No.

Speaker 1 : I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Even the wallpaper, the ceiling tiles, nothing.

Speaker 2 : Um, if you fast forward to 2010, okay, in Galloway, Ireland, there's a case.

Speaker 1 : Galloway, I think it is.

Speaker 2 : Galloway.

Speaker 1 : Galloway.

Speaker 2 : Got it. Sorry.

Speaker 1 : Or if you were there, you might say Galloway.

Speaker 2 : Yeah. Sorry, I don't speak Irish. Sorry about that.

Speaker 1 : My Irish accent sucks. I am not mocking you folks. I apologize.

Speaker 2 : The case is particularly interesting and important because it reaches an official legal conclusion which shocks the scientific community.

Speaker 1 : Yes.

Speaker 2 : Michael Faherty, 76 years old, was found dead in his living room. Again, the scene was bizarre. The body was almost entirely destroyed by fire, but the damage was limited to the immediate area of his body.

[08:00]

Speaker 1 : Yeah. The coroner. Now, I know I'm going to butcher this name, so please forgive me.

Speaker 2 : Ciaran, was that?

Speaker 1 : No, I I can't.

Speaker 2 : Clarion.

Speaker 1 : How? Sarian?

Speaker 2 : C-I-A-R-A-N.

Speaker 1 : It is an Irish name and therefore we as Americans can never ever pronounce it correct. It is a failing.

Speaker 2 : Dr. Ciaran McLoughlin.

Speaker 1 : There we go.

Speaker 2 : Okay.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : He's a very fine man, I'm sure. Okay. Investigated the scene. There was no fireplace, no open flames, no electrical faults, no foul play at all. Okay. He looked at all the evidence or lack of evidence actually. Lack of external fire sources. So I assume the man wasn't smoking if there were no external fire sources.

Speaker 1 : It was totally localized destruction. Extremely localized. And he did something no coroner in history had ever done or done in decades.

Speaker 2 : More than 20 years.

Speaker 1 : Real science had done. You're right. He officially ruled the cause of death as spontaneous human combustion. In his report, he stated the fire was thoroughly investigated and I am left with the conclusion that this fits into the category of spontaneous human combustion for which there is no adequate explanation. Think about the weight of that. A trained medical professional and he's faced with this evidence. He rejected the standard wick effect explanation because it simply didn't fit the facts. And in Faherty's case, the destruction was too rapid, too localized, and too complete. There was no trail of melted fat. No slow progression. It was an instantaneous release of energy. Dr. McLoughlin was brave enough to call it as he saw it.

Speaker 1 : And by the way, if he saw it, he's a guy. So we know now he's a man.

Speaker 2 : Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 : Thank you.

Speaker 2 : Anyway, when you look at these cases, the wick effect feels like a band-aid explanation on a gunshot event, right?

Speaker 1 : Yeah. Even if you were to believe in the wick effect, it doesn't explain how or why it begins.

Speaker 2 : I mean, somebody has to light a wick, right?

Speaker 1 : Right. Right. So, does it explain the lack of smoke, the lack of damage to the surroundings, or the sheer impossible temperature that's required to turn bone to powder in a matter of minutes?

[10:00]

Speaker 2 : No. I mean, think about it, right? Even if the wick effect started, even if the human candle is burning, how come it's not burning other—how many house fires have started with a little 6-inch taper candle?

Speaker 1 : Mhm.

Speaker 2 : Now you got like a 150 lb human candle and nothing catches on fire around it, right?

Speaker 1 : Yeah. Come on.

Speaker 2 : Yeah.

Speaker 1 : But if not the wick effect, then what?

Speaker 2 : Yeah. We're looking at a phenomenon that suggests the human body is capable of state of change—a change of matter almost. That's science isn't prepared to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 : Sorry, pardon.

Speaker 2 : It's not like a fire. It's almost like it collapses into a fire. It's not like bursting out in a fire. Maybe it's like a glitch in physical reality or something. I mean, it's really weird. It doesn't explode. It just transforms.

Speaker 1 : It occurs and transforms right within a certain very tight sphere, right?

Speaker 2 : It is a really bizarre, strange thing. If any of you have any stories you want to send, send it to spookycoupoop@gmail.com.

Speaker 1 : And before we go, I got to tell them about that time years and years and years ago when I was with my friend Laura and she thought I was going to spontaneously combust. Yes, folks. I've had a really weird life.

Speaker 2 : Okay. I still have allergies. After you tell your story, I have a very brief one as well.

Speaker 1 : Oh, you want to start?

Speaker 2 : It was a very near spontaneous combustion. Well, my father—God rest his soul—many years ago called me up to tell me a story that something had almost really bad happened to him. He had a pain in his chest and he was thinking of calling an ambulance. He was in the bathroom and I guess he was taking antacid or something. And there was this incredible burning feeling in his chest coming up his throat. And then he said he belched. He made this tremendous burp. And when he did, a puff of smoke came out of his mouth. And he said, "The first thing I thought was I was about to spontaneously combust." I said, "Did you have any jalapeno peppers or something?" No.

[12:00]

Speaker 1 : He said, "I can't eat those."

Speaker 2 : I wonder if it had something to do with what happened with me and Laura, the same type of thing. So my best friend for years was this girl named Laura. And um I had just taken a pill, a medication for my headache, and it was in a capsule form and it kind of stuck in my throat because I had a dry throat. And she had been reading books and one of the things she was really obsessed with was spontaneous human combustion.

Speaker 1 : And so we were sitting on the back steps of my apartment and the little capsule must have burst in my throat. And when I was talking to her, all of a sudden the dust from the capsule started coming out of my mouth. I didn't know what it was. She didn't know. All of a sudden, she started screaming, "Oh, quick, quick, quick." And she ran in the house and she grabbed a dish of flour that I had on the stove.

Speaker 2 : Oh, a vase.

Speaker 1 : Yeah, like a decorative vase.

Speaker 2 : Whipped out the flowers and came running at you.

Speaker 1 : Didn't even whip out the flowers. Just came running and just threw it at my face. I said, "What are you doing?" She goes, "You're going to combust quick." And she grabs me and she drags me in the house and she's like—grabs the faucet sprayer.

Speaker 2 : She's like, "Open your mouth," and what?

Speaker 1 : And she's spraying me. What's going on? She goes, "You got smoke coming out of here." And then then I actually believed her. At that point I'm freaking out. We were like 20 years old at the time. You know, it was crazy that I realized what it was because I could taste it in my mouth.

Speaker 2 : I felt so stupid. On a technical note, by the way, you and I are not older than the internet.

Speaker 1 : No, we're not. But nobody—people didn't really have the internet back then. I think I had cable TV, though.

Speaker 2 : It was in the '90s that we really started to get access.

Speaker 1 : So, we're moving on from bursting in flames to a very interesting story. We actually have two stories today from different people who wrote in. And please write in. These are really cool.

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Speaker 2 : Yeah. We love sharing your stories.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : We don't care how weird or strange they sound. You can't beat us.

Speaker 1 : This next story comes from one of our listeners who had a very interesting experience that he's not sure if it was real or if it was a dream. Maybe you could give your opinion on it. Do you want to start?

Speaker 2 : Okay. So, we have it. This is it here.

Speaker 1 : So, you want to switch back and forth on paragraphs here as we go?

Speaker 2 : Yeah. Why don't you read down to um—

Speaker 1 : Okay. Did he give a name?

Speaker 2 : No, he asked us not to use his name.

Speaker 1 : I'm going to call him Spooky Bruce then.

Speaker 2 : He doesn't. He just—it's from a—

Speaker 1 : Yeah. So, anyway, he starts: "Hey guys, I've been listening to the show for a while and I have never felt like I had a story worth telling until the last few weeks. I'm an architect. I bought a Victorian fixer upper in upstate New York. It was a steal because of the history. Rumors about the previous owner, an eccentric recluse who supposedly never left his room and died there in the middle of the night. During the renovation, I was pulling up the floorboards in the attic. I measured the exterior of the house and compared it to the interior dimensions. There was a discrepancy—about 8 feet of space was missing."

Speaker 2 : Says I started tapping on the wall behind the chimney breast.

Speaker 1 : Yeah, the chimney breast is the part of the wall that sits beside and holds up the flue of the chimney.

Speaker 2 : Yeah, I thought originally it was something you put barbecue sauce on. It sounded hollow. I pulled the lath and plaster down. I found a door. Not a small access panel, but a full-size door with no handle. When I pried it open, I found a room. It was perfectly furnished. Everything was covered in a layer of fine gray sand. Not dust, sand.

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Speaker 2 : And it was very odd.

Speaker 1 : Yeah, it was geometrically wrong.

Speaker 2 : I think what he said here is it's geometrically wrong or—oh, okay. And the geometry—it was wrong.

Speaker 1 : The handwriting is a little—I see. Harder for me to read. "Stood in the doorway and my eyes couldn't focus on the corners of the room. They seemed curved inward as to look like it was a fisheye lens. I stepped inside and the air temperature dropped so fast my breath turned to mist. I looked at the desk. There was a journal open and it freaked me out that the ink was still wet."

Speaker 2 : I looked at the date. It was today's date. I figured I had an intruder.

Speaker 1 : That's disturbing.

Speaker 2 : But the door was gone. Just a solid wall of brick. I spent what felt like hours screaming and pounding on the walls, but the sound didn't travel. It was like being inside a vacuum. I don't know how I got out. I blacked out on the sandy floor. The next thing I knew, I was waking up in my bedroom covered in that gray sand. Strange dream.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. I went back to the attic door by the chimney and it was solid brick. Now, nightmare.

Speaker 2 : Yeah, who knows?

Speaker 1 : I've had three contractors look at it and they all swear that it's solid brick. But once in a while, I hear the sound of sand being poured onto a wooden floor. I get all the logical explanations. Maybe the weed I smoked was too good. But I still can't shake the feeling. Don't do it, Spooky Bruce. Keep that house. Get video.

Speaker 2 : Open a channel.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : Use an anonymous name and post it.

Speaker 1 : You know what he should do? He should get a recorder. Put it up by that area, let it run overnight and see what kind of sounds he can capture.

Speaker 2 : Right.

Speaker 1 : Okay. We have one more entry. A person who called himself Mark.

[18:00]

Speaker 2 : He is a middle school teacher and he doesn't want to—

Speaker 1 : um What do you got?

Speaker 2 : This is in here, right?

Speaker 1 : Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 2 : At least he typed. I used to work for the school board. You have to keep your mouth shut.

Speaker 1 : Yep. So, he got in touch with us and wanted to know if we wanted to take his story to you guys and we were thrilled. He felt a little desperate. He wasn't sure if anyone would believe him.

Speaker 2 : So, we're going to read his account as he wrote it to us. Mark, if you're listening, we hear you.

Speaker 1 : Okay. He says: "It started with my keys. I would put them on a hook by the front door. I turned to lock my deadbolt, and when I turned back, they were in the middle of the kitchen floor. I didn't drop them."

Speaker 2 : He says, "I live alone. I bought this place three years ago. A standard suburban ranch. No history of tragedies."

Speaker 1 : "But about 6 months ago, the house started to feel crowded. Not with people, but with some kind of feeling, some kind of intention. The first time I really knew something was wrong was on a Tuesday. I was in the shower. I have a glass door. I stepped out and saw the steam on the glass had been wiped away by something dragging a finger down the center. It was a perfect jagged line, and at the bottom there was a single wet word pressed into the glass: OUT."

[20:00]

Speaker 2 : Yeah. You know what he wrote after that? He wrote, "I know this sounds like I'm making it up, but I swear it happened."

Speaker 1 : We're not—who are we to judge?

Speaker 2 : I mean, we talk about our alien abductions. There's a difference between belief and knowing. You know what you experienced.

Speaker 1 : So anyway, I'll go. He continues here. "I didn't panic. But that night the kitchen cabinets started. I'd wake up at 3:00 a.m. to the sound of every single cupboard in the kitchen opening and closing in perfect rhythmic synchronization."

Speaker 2 : Oh. We had that happen.

Speaker 1 : "It sounded like a heartbeat. I walked into the kitchen and the moment I stepped onto the tile it stopped." Yeah, we had that. There was a haunted house in Portsmouth many years ago.

Speaker 2 : And we'd walked out of the kitchen. We walk back into the kitchen and somebody yells, "Come here." And every cupboard was open. Every drawer was pulled open in this old kitchen.

Speaker 1 : It was something else. It happened too quick for any of us.

Speaker 2 : So anyway, he didn't panic.

Speaker 1 : Okay. Then he says, "I started setting up cameras. I pointed my GoPro at the kitchen. Just last Thursday, he was sitting on the couch reading and the camera shows the coffee table—a heavy oak piece—lifted. It hovered perfectly level about 6 inches off the rug."

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Speaker 2 : Yeah. I didn't see it because he was looking at his book.

Speaker 1 : "The camera caught my face going pale when the table slammed down with such force that it cracked a floorboard. But that's not the worst of it. The worst part is the smell. It smells like ozone and burnt hair. And the whispers."

Speaker 2 : They sound like a language being spoken backward very fast right at the edge of my hearing.

Speaker 1 : Spooky coup subscribe.

Speaker 2 : "I've had a priest come. I've had a medium. The priest said there's no evil presence. The medium wouldn't even step past the front porch. She just looked at me and said, 'It's not a ghost, Mark. It's a tear.'"

Speaker 1 : I think that's a—

Speaker 2 : A terror.

Speaker 1 : Oh, a tear. Yeah, you're right. It's a tear. Living in a place where the barrier is thin and something is using your energy to anchor itself here.

Speaker 2 : It's a tear. So, I don't know what that means. I just know that I can't sleep. "Last night, I found my clothes laid out on the floor in the shape of a person. My shoes were on the feet, my hat on the head. It was a perfect effigy of me. I'm writing this because I'm moving out tomorrow, but I have this sinking feeling that it's not the house that's haunted me. I think it's following me."

Speaker 1 : Oh, swell. Yeah, that's usually what happens in most cases.

Speaker 2 : If anyone has experienced this feeling of being used like a battery, please let me know.

Speaker 1 : No, we've seen this happen before. Hey, Mark, send us another thing and give us some contact info and we'll see what we can do for you.

Speaker 2 : He's got real video, too.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : Also, open a social media account and post.

Speaker 1 : Yeah, if he wants—he's a school teacher. I don't think he would.

Speaker 2 : Don't do that, Mark. That's right.

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Speaker 1 : No, no, Mark. Don't you move out. Luckily it hasn't hurt him.

Speaker 2 : I think it seems to be trying to get his attention more than it's trying to do him harm.

Speaker 1 : So why did it write "OUT" on the shower?

Speaker 2 : Maybe it wanted him out of the shower so he didn't sleep and hurt his head.

Speaker 1 : Or he was getting wrinkled.

Speaker 2 : No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 : Maybe he picked up something along the way. Antique store.

Speaker 2 : That could be—he could have brought an object into the house.

Speaker 1 : Something changed. The ghost latched on to him.

Speaker 2 : Or something wants his help to get out. You see, a lot of times people will see something like "OUT" and they'll say, "Oh, it wants me to get out." And what it really is saying is that there's something stuck there that wants to get out.

Speaker 1 : Yeah. The misinterpretation of what they're doing. There was a woman we talked to a long time ago whose water kept turning on after her mother passed. She thought her mother was furious with her. But the mother was trying to say it's all water under the bridge.

Speaker 2 : Once she talked to her mother and said thank you, it stopped.

Speaker 1 : Yeah.

Speaker 2 : Like that time your mother trapped me after she passed away. She trapped me in the elevator.

Speaker 1 : Yes. You and she had a tumultuous love-hate relationship. All the time.

Speaker 2 : She trapped you in an elevator after she died. The elevator wouldn't work. You were in there with Austin, your service dog, and you yelled at her, "Pat, for God's sake, let me out of this elevator!" And you said you heard in your head laughing.

Speaker 1 : And then the elevator started to move. I was in that elevator 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 : You asked them afterwards if anybody reported a problem.

Speaker 1 : Nope. Never.

Speaker 2 : Haunted mother-in-laws come back to haunt you more.

Speaker 1 : Yep. She just wanted me to acknowledge that she had some kind of weird control over me.

Speaker 2 : Not anymore.

Speaker 1 : Not anymore. So, that has been a very active session today.

Speaker 2 : It was a nice podcast.

Speaker 1 : Yes. We talked about oozing burning fat from people, hauntings, and ghosts. Everybody, stay safe, be good, take care of one another. Until next time when we see you in the Spooky Coop.