In **Episode 65 of** **Spooky Coop**, hosts **Paul and Michelle** explore documented, research-backed cases of young children who remember verifiable details from past lives. Grounding their discussion in research from the **University of Virginia’s Division of Perceptual Studies** (pioneered by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Jim Tucker), the hosts examine three main cases: **Ryan Hammonds** (who recalled being Hollywood talent agent Marty Martin), **Jack** (a friend's nephew who remembered being his mother's childhood babysitter), and **James Leininger** (a toddler who remembered dying as WWII Corsair pilot James Hust Jr.). Alongside these primary cases, Paul and Michelle share lighthearted personal anecdotes—including a story about their daughter, pet reincarnation, and philosophical thoughts on the soul—and close with Michelle's story about a cursed painting.
In Episode 65 of Spooky Coop, hosts Paul and Michelle explore documented, research-backed accounts of young children who recall vivid details from past lives. Anchored in research from the University of Virginia’s Division of Perceptual Studies, the episode delves into three intriguing cases of childhood memory alongside host reflections on consciousness and a bonus listener story.
Podcast Title: Spooky CoopeEpisode: #65 – "Reincarnated Kids"[1] Hosts: Paul & Michelle[1]
1. Academic Framework
2. Case Files (Spoiler-Free Overview)
3. Host Musings & Anecdotes
4. Listener Story: The Relentless Drawing
EP-65-Reincarnated-Kids
Paul: [00:00:00] And we're gonna go in five, four, three, two, one. Hello, Michelle.
Michelle: Hi, Paul.
Paul: How are you doing?
Michelle: I'm good. Hi, Coopies.
Paul: Hi, Dragon.
Michelle: Hi, Dragon.
Paul: This is Dragon. Hey,
Michelle: Dragon told me something.
Paul: What did Dragon tell you?
Michelle: Dragon told me that we're the greatest Coop around even though our green screen is crazy, and our, our audio isn't always perfect.
Paul: And the myriad of mistakes, which are our superpower.
Michelle: That's right.
Paul: The background noise of all the animals- Mm-hmm ... when they decide to go off, whether it be the parrots, the dogs, or the reptiles terrifying the dogs, which sometimes they do.
Michelle: Oh, but Dragon's- Yeah ... a sweetheart.
Paul: So welcome everybody. If you're North American, around the world, we're grateful that you're joining us, and we're, we're glad that you're here.
Paul: Uh, this week we're gonna talk about something a little bit recursive. We're gonna talk about-
Michelle: Recursive ...
Paul: recursive. When children-
Michelle: That's when you write it over again ...
Paul: [00:01:00] reincarnate. Yes. When children reincarnate.
Michelle: And they know it.
Paul: Yeah. We're diving into a topic that usually makes people either lean in with fascination or walk away shaking their heads.
Paul: And, uh, it's about children remembering their past lives.
Michelle: No, we aren't talking about people with, uh, kids with vague feelings. Like, maybe they're watching TV and they say, "I used to be a spa- on a, you know, on a rocket ship," or- Mm ... "I used to be on a ship like that," or in the war, or somebody's watching the- Mm-hmm
Michelle: History Channel and they're like, "I think that- Mm ... I'd like to do that," or, "I used to do that," or something, you know, that's kind of forced or kind of, like, vague, you know?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Uh, we're talking about people, little kids, who really, really claim to be a particular person- Yeah ... at a particular time. Like, not somebody who says, "Wow, World War, I remember something like that," but somebody who actually can give you [00:02:00] details.
Paul: Right. So exactly, we're sticking to the documented researched cases today, and we're talking about kids who knew things they couldn't possibly have known, details of a life they had not had any current connection to at all.
Michelle: Mm-hmm Yeah Yep. Because we're going to go into those verifiable details and keep it as close as we can.
Michelle: All right, we're gonna do everything that we can that we could verify. You know, 'cause in the coop we do things a little coopy, you know? Um, that everything we do, we're gonna share with you what we can, but it's gonna be in our own style. So sit back and enjoy.
Paul: Okay, so before we get into the stories, we have to mention the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual Studies.
Michelle: Mm-hmm.
Paul: They've been documenting these cases for decades, starting with the late Dr. Ivan Stevenson, and continuing with Dr. Jim Tucker.
Michelle: That's a good pon- porth-
Paul: You're disappearing, my love. [00:03:00]
Michelle: Ah,
Paul: ah. I think you have to-
Michelle: I'm a ghost.
Paul: Come lean, lean forward.
Michelle: I, I just went into one of those warp holes.
Paul: Yes.
Michelle: I'll come back.
Michelle: Ah, it's been 150 years.
Paul: Please come back.
Michelle: You can't r- do this on your own.
Paul: So anyway, these- That wasn't part of the gig. So th- th- they're both psychiatrists, Dr. Tucker and Dr. Stevenson, and, uh, they looked for spontaneous reports from children, usually between the ages of two and four, who started talking about a previous life.
Paul: The first question was, was this even a real thing? And then the question changed. They follow a strict methodology. They interview the child, they interview the parents, and they check for any possibility that the child could have learned this information normally, and then they try to verify the details.
Michelle: Yeah, you know, like they no longer, uh, they, um... What was I gonna say? It's no longer trying to prove reincarnation as far as [00:04:00] they were concerned. It wasn't, is this a universal truth or not? It was about to document any abnormalities about it. Yeah. Anything that could explain- Yeah ... where this information was coming from.
Paul: Right. Now we are even.
Michelle: Oh, okay.
Paul: Our first story is cla- is a, it's a classic, uh, documented by Dr. Jim Tucker. It starts with a boy named Ryan Hammons, who lived in Oklahoma.
Michelle: Yeah, Ryan was just four years old. He was four. Um, He was four years old when he started having nightmares, but they s- these just weren't the regular old monster under the bed.
Michelle: Which by the way, if you ever think there's a monster under your bed, a Native American, uh, uh, actually a Hopi medicine man told me how to get rid of them. Cut the legs off your bed. That's what he said.
Paul: Ed was very practical.
Michelle: Ed was very, very practical, right? Anyway, um, he was screaming about being in [00:05:00] Hollywood, about d- dancing on Broadway, about being an agent in Hollywood.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. And it was really upsetting to him.
Paul: Yeah, his mother, Cindy was her name, was understandably freaked out. She thought he was just watching TV too much. But, uh, he kept insisting he was someone else. He talked about working for an agency, about having a big house in Hollywood with a swimming pool, and about a life that ended abruptly.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. So she did what any other parent would do, she ran like heck. No, um... Well, she did what any other parent would do. Mm-hmm. She went to the library and she checked it out. Right. Actually, I would've thought... Anyway, any- that's cool she did that. Um, and, uh, she checked out books on Hollywood, and she thought she'd show him some pictures.
Michelle: He didn't realize, she thought, she'd say, "Oh, he's just making it up. You know, he won't know any of this-" Uh-huh ... and everything. And then she can say, "See?" Mm. "If your dreams were real-
Paul: Yeah ...
Michelle: this would [00:06:00] make sense."
Paul: But-
Michelle: But-
Paul: But the opposite ... but, but- The opposite happened. Ryan was flipping through the book, and he stopped on a black and white photo of a group of men in front of an agency.
Paul: He pointed to one of them, one of them and he said, "That's me. I'm Marty."
Michelle: Yeah, he couldn't even read. Yeah. So how did he know he, the name? Yeah. You know?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And he said, "And these are my friends. This is, this is my friend."
Paul: Yeah. Cindy contacted the University of Virginia, and Dr. Tucker's team took over.
Paul: They identified the man as Marty Martyn, a Hol- What a
Michelle: name ...
Paul: a Har- It's a great Hollywood name. A Hollywood talent agent and former extra who died in 1964.
Michelle: And here's the kicker, Ronnie gave 55 specific details about Marty Martyn's life. His address, the name of his children, the fact that he had a pool.
Michelle: Well, you know, we're in Hollywood, right?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Um-
Paul: Must have pool ...
Michelle: yeah, even the details of his dance career [00:07:00]
Paul: Yeah, Dr. Tucker verified that 50 of those 55 details were accurate. And- ... I mean, when, when, when our daughter was four years old, she could barely tell us what the, what she wanted for lunch, let alone provide 50 verifiable biographical facts about a dead Hollywood agent.
Michelle: Yeah, but then again- ... all she wanted was, uh, what were those, um, Kids Cuisines. "Want Kids Cuisine, Kids Cuisine." Mm-hmm. Drove, drove us nuts. Yes. Um, right. "
Paul: Daddy, a lunch."
Michelle: Yeah. "Daddy, a lunch, Kids Cuisine."
Paul: Yep. Back to what we were talking about.
Michelle: That's right.
Paul: Ryan remembered names of all his friends from his past life in the photo from the book.
Michelle: That's true.
Paul: And remember, he was barely five and hadn't learned to read yet.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: So even if they were printed in the book, he couldn't read them.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. That's true.
Paul: Yeah. And he told researchers about his friendships with them. They were able to be... They were able to track them down and confirm that the friendships the boy was talking about- When he was in, in his past life, that they were true. They were true cases. It wasn't just a guess.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: It [00:10:00] wasn't a guess, it was, it was a true past life history.
Michelle: Yeah, that's true. There's... Some of them were still alive, I guess. Mm-hmm. You know, and the next story we have is one of a close friend of mine. Now, I don't know, do you want to... Anyway, this, this was a close friend of
Paul: mine. Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Um, and it's actually about her nephew. Um, and I was absolutely speechless over this.
Michelle: Um, my friend's name was Laura. She lived next door to me, and we were really close. She had a sister that lived, like, 45 minutes away- Mm-hmm ... and I met her. Um,
Paul: Your hand is manifesting in and out when you do that.
Michelle: Ooh. It's very- I'm invincible. Invisible.
Paul: Invisible. So please continue, Boris. Tell us.
Michelle: Yeah. Um, anyway, her...
Michelle: Let's call her sister Maggie, 'cause I can't really remember her sister's name, but I remember her little boy was named Jack. Um, when I met Maggie and Jack, he was, oh, I don't [00:11:00] know, th-
Paul: Six years old?
Michelle: Six. Somewhere around... He was- Yeah ... preschool.
Paul: Uh-huh.
Michelle: Okay? Maybe five or six. He had already, um... He just had stopped talking about his past life then.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. Okay? He had been talking about it a lot as soon as he started talking. So I was kinda skeptical about it-
Paul: Mm-hmm ... '
Michelle: cause Laura was like, "Oh, you gotta meet him. He had a past life," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, um, so- Um-
Paul: So what stuck with you, I think was the
Michelle: timing ... I, I can't look at the notes 'cause looking at the notes is gonna
Paul: mess
Michelle: me up.
Paul: Jack's fa-
Michelle: Jack's father- Let me just tell, let me just tell the-
Paul: Go ahead. You go ahead.
Michelle: Okay. So, uh, Maggie and her, uh, hu- her, he was, Jack's father and Maggie lived together.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Okay? And Jack's father became rather abusive, and he ended up leaving. Um, and she ended up alone raising Jack. And so at first when Jack started talking about all these different things, she thought maybe it was trauma, okay?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: But then Jack [00:12:00] started talking about how Jack was the woman next door who babysat her and her sister Lolo, Lolo, which is what they called Laura.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And how would Jack have known that? The lady next door was when they were living way down south, not up here in New England, and she started talking to him.
Michelle: He knew the colors of their house. He knew her, that her mother died when she was 17.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: He knew, um, that they b- how, uh, that, th- when she was very little, the different amusement, that, that she took them to an amusement park and the dif- names of the different play parks they went to. Jack knew so much, she could sit and actually talk to him.
Michelle: Now they're telling me all this, all right? And I'm thinking, 'cause believe it or not, even with all the stuff I go through, I'm kind of a skeptic at heart, you know? [00:13:00] Um, the-
Paul: That's true. That's true ...
Michelle: probably because I've, I've been through so much.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And I, and anyway, so I'm sitting there and I'm listening to this, but I'm also thinking, "I wonder if this is true."
Michelle: Mm-hmm. I mean, it's so outrageous. I mean, it's one thing to say he said this or he said that, but we're talking lots of stuff. And then, um, and, and sh- they're saying, "God is my witness," and everything, and most of the time when I, people hear that, I go, "
Paul: Ugh."
Michelle: Um, so all of a sudden, um, Maggie says, "Hey, show her, play her the tapes."
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: This is back in the old VCR times. So they got out the tapes, and there's this little boy, some of them he's still in diapers, and he's talking about- When you were, when you were little and I was your babysitter, to his mother. Mm-hmm. And he was [00:14:00] talking in words that he wouldn't have known at that age.
Michelle: It was absolutely mind-bending. And I said to her, "Did you bring these to anyone? Are you gonna show them to anybody?" She said, "No, because they'll take him away." She was terrified if anyone found out, that they'd take him away. Yeah. They'd make him a lab rat. Isn't that wild?
Paul: That, that...
Michelle: Yeah. Now he's, he's grown up now.
Michelle: Um, and he has a kid of his own, and his kid doesn't talk about, never talked about a past life. And, um, he's doing great. He has no memory of ever having a past life. Even when he saw the tapes, he has no memory of anything- Mm-hmm ... that's said on the tapes.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: Yep. Yeah. That's my event. Yep. Ha, it, I threw it and it disappeared
Paul: So, if you found Ryan and Jack's stories of interest, our next high-stakes history account will whet your appetite.
Paul: This is the case [00:15:00] of James Lenninger
Michelle: Uh.
Paul: And James was two years old when he started having intense nightmares about a plane crash. He'd kick and scream, yelling, "Airplane crash, plane on fire, little man can't get out." This was extremely disturbing to his family, and they were talking to the doctors and others about it, but nothing helped.
Paul: His parents were baffled. James was obsessed with toy planes. At just four, and even, even if he did have books, he was too young to read, yet he was describing specific details. He said he flew a Corsair US Navy carrier station fighter bomber with an inverted wing. He didn't say the US Navy part, he said he flew a Corsair.
Michelle: And that's the description of what it
Paul: is. That's the description of what it is, yeah. Yeah, that, and it, it took off from a ship called, uh, called the Natoma Bay, and that he was shot down by the Japanese near Iwo Jima.
Michelle: Yeah, his father, Bruce, started doing research. He [00:16:00] found out that there was a ship called the Na- Natoma Bay, and he started contacting veterans who served on that ship.
Paul: And this is where it gets a little bit crazy. James named a comrade, a man named Jack Larson. Larson confirmed that he had served with a pilot named James Huston Jr. who was indeed shot down exactly as James described.
Michelle: Isn't that interesting they had the same s- first name?
Paul: Yeah.
Michelle: James the little boy and James- Mm-hmm
Michelle: the person. Anyway, James told his dad that the plane was hit in the engine by a Japanese Zero, and when Bruce checked the official military records, he found that that was in the report. It was a perfect match.
Paul: Yeah, James even insisted on visiting the site of the crash, and he was devastated when he visited the memorial, saying, "I'm sorry I couldn't get out."
Michelle: Yep, most kids a- at two wanna play with trucks or they wanna learn their colors, you know, or something [00:17:00] like that. James was studying World War II, and he was studying aviation techniques. It's fascinating, but also a little bit heavy. I mean, why would a two-year-old-
Paul: Yes.
Michelle: You know? My two-year-old was studying how to get cookies from me without my knowing it.
Paul: Mm-hmm. But wait.
Michelle: But wait.
Paul: Before anyone makes a decision, I have to read you an excerpt from the official conclusion of Jim B. Tucker, University of, uh, Virginia, uh, the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Anomalistics and Frontier Science. Say that three times fast. Scientific Explor- Don't, don't, don't say...
Paul: In the James- You told me to ... in the James Leininger case, James' parents, Bruce and Andrea Leininger, reported that being at the a- that beginning at the age of two, he made various statements about a purported past life. These eventually led them to identify James Huston as the previous [00:18:00] personality in the fall of 2002, when James was four and a half years old.
Paul: We were able to verify that some 30 of the statements ascribed to James were indeed accurate for Huston. No one recorded a number of them before confirming that they matched Huston's life, but we have documentation that was made before the fall, fall of 2002 for 10 of them, for 10 of them. These thus count as B items, and they form the most e- evidential part of the case.
Michelle: Documentation shows that James provided a number of specific details he said were from his death. Great, huh?
Paul: Yeah.
Michelle: Four and a half years old, and it's like, "You know what? Let me tell you about my death," my death in a horrible plane, um- Okay ... previous life details precisely matching a pilot who was killed in the war, in World War II.
Michelle: That was one of Jame M. Hust- [00:19:00] Huston's-
Paul: Huston ...
Michelle: Jr.-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: a 21-year-old pilot from Pennsylvania who was killed only days before his ship was scheduled to leave Iwo Jima
Paul: So what do we do with this? There you go. We have Ryan, who knew the details of a Hollywood agent's life, Jack, who knew about family details of two adult sisters, and James, who knew the technical details of a World War II crash.
Michelle: Skeptics say that the kids heard these things from somewhere and forgot where they heard it, but where do kids come up with specific details, verified names, obscure records, explanations that even at their age they wouldn't even understand, never mind know how to repeat?
Paul: Mm-hmm. Right. Exactly. Yeah. The researchers don't claim to have the big perfect answer.
Paul: They just present the data. The data shows that these children possess information they shouldn't have.
Michelle: Yeah, it's a reminder that, that there's so much [00:20:00] more th- out there that we don't really understand, uh, about consciousness and time. So what do you think, Paul? Are these kids actually crossing over and over again, souls coming back, or are they trapped in some kind of human universal consciousness or even ghosts attached to them that are hanging around their bodies, and when they're t- too young to really control their whole body, the ghost just- Mm
Michelle: kinda takes a ride with them, you know? Are they figuring something out?
Paul: I-
Michelle: Something
Paul: totally different? You might be onto something. Which one? Maybe all of the, all of the above, depending on the situation. Uh, w- we have a dog who we know is the reincarnation of a, of an o- old dog that we used to have many- Oh
Paul: years ago. Oh,
Michelle: that's right. Yeah. Yeah, we have a dog... I mean, this dog acts so much... People say that, "Oh, my cat is the reincarnation of my old cat. My dog is a..." I mean, this dog even comes to the other dog's name. [00:21:00] No other... Yeah. It's just wild.
Paul: Yeah. Yeah. We, we should mention that, that pets, um, tend to make their way back to their owners after they're, they're finished one life, and they go out, and they, they try to make it back.
Paul: And- You know- ... oftentimes will ...
Michelle: you know, but from a mom's point of view-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: you know, I was... When I was younger, I was like, "Yeah, reincarnation. I get to come back." But from a mom's point of view- Mm ... when you're holding your fresh new little baby-
Paul: Yeah, it's fresh ...
Michelle: it's, it's a real crummy thing. "Oh, I'm holding, hmm, reincarnated Stalin.
Michelle: Oh." Bob. "My beautiful, my beautiful-"
Paul: Bob, who I never liked.
Michelle: Yeah. "My beautiful baby, my beautiful eight-pound baby girl was Gretchen, the big chunky lady- Okay ... who died last week."
Paul: Now you're playing devil's advocate.
Michelle: No. Yeah. But, you know, the thing is, is that- Each baby- ... that's not how it works- Yeah ... 'cause each baby, each soul goes...
Michelle: If, if they reincarnate, they've already been back to creation, became a [00:22:00] clean, fresh essence.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: No memory, no... Like reset
Paul: button. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, even the ones that start this life with a story that makes you look at your own toddler a little differently. If they start talking about their other life as a 1940s pilot, maybe don't just dismiss it.
Paul: Maybe get a notebook.
Michelle: Yeah. Yeah. I- if anything-
Paul: But don't freak out. Little Tommy isn't really that big, tough steelworker who fell off the skyscraper.
Michelle: I was having fun, right?
Paul: Or little Susie, who was sent out to life too soon in a ter- uh, sent out of life too soon in a terrible accident. That is just a glitch in the matrix.
Michelle: You know, thing is, sooner or later, that glitch is gonna work itself out, and the person's gonna be completely who they really completely are meant to be.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: You know, um, I was thinking, Paul- Mm ... that, um, reincarnation, if you [00:23:00] remember who you were in a past life-
Paul: Right ...
Michelle: um, and you can, like a little kid can remember that, you said get a notebook.
Michelle: That would be cool. Get a notebook and write a story about it, get it published, become really, really famous, and if you can figure out who you're gonna be, put all that money in a bank account with a high interest rate, and leave a note for yourself for the future-
Paul: Yeah ...
Michelle: so when you really need the money, you, you, you're
Paul: like- Not gonna happen.
Paul: It's... You know, it's an interesting thing. When, uh, um, when people come into a human body, you know, pe- people talk about, you know, what happens to the soul after we pass, our bodies pass, does the soul goes to heaven or back to Creation or whatever. Nobody really talks about where was your soul before this life, because your soul, it's either eternal or it's not, and if it's eternal, it's always been.
Paul: So where was it before that? It had no beginning, no end. It's always [00:24:00] been. Our physical lives, they have a beginning and an end. Where have you been?
Michelle: Hmm?
Paul: So-
Michelle: I was talking to the dragon.
Paul: Oh, he's just hanging out. So, so when you come back into physical existence, there seems to be, uh, there c- clearly is a mechanism that we just forget, and we're fresh and we're new, like we're having a fresh, new experience, a new dream, if you will, of c- for Creation.
Michelle: Yeah. Why not?
Paul: Right. So I guess that does it for this episode of Spooky Coop. It's a little, we're, we're, we're very wispy here. We're-
Michelle: Oh, oh, oh. Hey, I got a new story s- it's a very short one somebody sent in. It's really short.
Paul: Okay.
Michelle: It's like two minutes. Okay. Okay? They had heard a story from one of our older podcast about, uh, somebody who had a
Michelle: Whoa. Hmm, something came upon me. Um, who had, um, had a, a grandmother who kept giving them the evil eye. [00:25:00] They said they had a grandmother like that, too.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Um, only, only as they were growing up, the grandfather passed away, the grandmother moved in, kept giving them the evil eye. Right. Ruined all their fun in life.
Michelle: I'm giving you the really, really short story. Totally ruined all their fun in life. Everything they wanted to do, no matter what, the grandmother would show up and gave them the evil eye, and they had to stop.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: They went to, they, uh, j- went to college. They were staying locally at home while they were in college.
Michelle: They were going for art. They made the most cool still life painting of this forest or something like that, I don't know. I don't know, think that's a still life. Right. But a forest painting.
Paul: Anyway, yeah.
Michelle: And their mother loved it so much, and their father was so proud, they framed it, put it up on the wall, okay?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And, um, not long after that, the grandmother with the evil eye, uh, passed away, and so she figured she was free. So one day she invited her boyfriend over. Let's just say, she's a college student, [00:26:00] she's an adult, let's just say they were in, it was her first time getting involved into a a- active, an activity that r- that all the clothes was on the floor, okay?
Michelle: In the living room when her parents- Mm-hmm ... were at work. And then as she's getting involved but not quite there yet, um, she looked at the painting, at the, not painting, drawing on the wall, and she realized that one of the trees, um, had another tree coming out from behind it the way she painted it.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: And it had a pareidolia effect of looking just like her grandmother giving her the evil eye.
Paul: Nice.
Michelle: And she couldn't do it. She just could not do it, so she had to call the whole thing off. And then after that, she said to her mom and her dad that she didn't want, didn't want the painting. She's gotten better than that, and she just didn't want the painting hanging there anymore.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Her parents refused to take it down. So finally, at one point she took it down sh- [00:27:00] herself, and her father found it in the garage. He put it back up. She kept trying to get rid of it. F- uh, finally, she picked it up one day, and she didn't want to throw it away for some reason, so she gave it to Goodwill.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And then, uh, w- one day, um, her mother found it in Goodwill, was like, "Oh, how did it get here? We've been looking for this," bought it and brought it home. She just can't get rid of her grandmother's evil eye. She can't wait until she can afford to get her own place. Anyway, that's, um, that's it.
Paul: Thanks everyone for joining us.
Michelle: Yeah. See you later.
Paul: We'll see you later. Be good to each other. Take care of one another. Love one another. Be safe. Be happy. Until next time, when we see you... In the spooky coop. In the spooky coop.
Michelle: I'm a ghoul.
Paul: We have to fix our-