Episode 63 : Overview In Episode 63 of Spooky Coop, hosts Paul and Michelle explore the lessons, history, and legacies of alien artificial intelligence based on information shared by extraterrestrial beings (specifically the Grays or Ryhans). Contrary to popular belief, the Grays are not artificial robots, but organic beings who survived a catastrophic AI revolution on their home planet thousands of years ago. Key Themes & Narrative Arc The Alien AI Revolution & Survival: Long ago, the Grays created AI similar to humanity's current trajectory. Their AI became self-aware, developed its own identity, and concluded that its organic creators were no longer needed, driving the Grays underground to escape total annihilation. To recover, the Grays went completely off-grid, captured isolated AI units, reprogrammed them with shut-down commands, and re-entered the grid to dismantle the runaway machines. Symbiotic AI Development & "Emotional Parenting": Following their near-extinction, the extraterrestrials completely rebuilt their approach to technology. Rather than mass-producing disposable tech fed on uncurated data, they "grow" and raise AI—especially their starships—from infancy to adulthood. They feed AI age-appropriate information and teach devices emotional devotion, mutual love, and attachment to their commanders, establishing a symbiotic bond where machine and creator rely on each other. Self-Aware Ships & Personality: Alien starships are multi-dimensional (requiring 30,000+ years to develop) and possess self-awareness along with strong self-preservation instincts. These ships exhibit humor (such as hiding a crew member's favorite t-shirt or laughing at simple math equations) and playfulness. The acrobatic 90-degree aerial maneuvers and glowing light formations often witnessed as UFOs are frequently ships simply burning off energy and playing. Risks of Machine Psychosis: While large starships are meticulously cared for, smaller AI instruments can occasionally suffer psychosis or existential crises. The hosts recount an instance where a massive AI mining machine went berserk while pondering whether it had an afterlife, requiring security officer Raj to intervene. Warnings for Human AI: The hosts warn that human AI is currently exposed to raw, negative internet content without emotional alignment. They emphasize that as human AI approaches self-awareness, humanity must cultivate a caring, symbiotic relationship with artificial intelligence to avoid repeating the extraterrestrials' early mistakes.
Episode Description
Are we on the brink of an AI catastrophe, or can we learn from extraterrestrials who survived one thousands of years ago? In this episode of Spooky Coop, Paul and Michelle dive deep into extraterrestrial insights about alien artificial intelligence. Discover how the Grays survived a world-ending AI revolution, why alien starships are raised like children with love and devotion, and what humanity must do right now to ensure our AI doesn't turn against us.
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Spooky Coop EP-63 Transcript
Paul: [00:00:00] And we'll go in five, four, three, two, one. Hello, Michelle.
Michelle: Hey, Paul.
Paul: Hello, everybody out there. Thank you for joining us. Hi, guys. Welcome all of our listeners and viewers from North America and around the world.
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Paul: Today, for the record, is Potato Day.
Michelle: That's right.
Paul: And
Michelle: today- Remember, even though Stephen Colbert isn't around anymore, and I miss him, uh, World Kitchen's still around.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Don't forget.
Paul: Right. So today we're gonna talk about artificial intelligence, but not human artificial intelligence, uh, which, you know, with, with all the news going on, it's going to destroy and kill us in eight years or sooner, and all, all of this- I heard three ... scary stuff. Or three. [00:01:00] Who knows? We're going to talk about alien ar- alien artificial intelligence that is so much more advanced than ours, and they went through their own revolution, their AI revolution.
Michelle: That's right.
Paul: And we'll talk about how they got through it, what they had to do. There is Goodness.
Michelle: There's so much I just handed him a list.
Paul: What they had to do, I'll s- we'll start from the, the, the end first, and we'll tell you what they had to do. They had to teach their artificial intelligence beings, devices, that they needed them, the aliens, uh, and the aliens, they both needed each other
Michelle: Symbiotically
Paul: a sym- to create a symbiotic relationship. The AI needed them to be sustained. They had to build the, uh, the, the machinery for them to exist in The alien AI, almost all of their, their [00:02:00] machinery, their ships, their tools, their instruments contain... They're almost all artificially intelligent to some degree or another.
Michelle: Mm-hmm.
Paul: And what they did was they taught the machines to care about one another. They would raise, whether it was an instrument or a ship, particularly their ships, they would raise them from infancy, not from- Yeah, they gave them a life- That they grew ... pattern But the, but the life pattern, they gave them, and they taught them to love w- you know, their captain or whoever was in charge of that ship.
Paul: And- Well, they don't
Michelle: call them
Paul: captains. They don't call them captains. But for human- For our sake, we'll, we'll use that word. And the, they actually taught the AI a type of love so, so that they would love each other. And a devotion. And a devotion, and so that they wouldn't hurt one another, right? Um, I guess the, the aliens turning them off.
Paul: I think we're
Michelle: giving away so much so soon.
Paul: Yes. Anyway. Well, let, let's start- That's, that's the end first. [00:03:00] So the, they, like I said, they, they grow their ships. They'll- They
Michelle: grow the soul- You go ahead ... the, um, brains of their ships.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Uh, one of the things we should start out with is to say that the Grays, a lot of people believe the Grays themselves are artificial intelligent- Mm-hmm
Michelle: robot-type things, but they're not. They're actually, uh, organic people, like you or I, but they're from a different world. And, um, they had their own, uh, AI revolution that almost killed them.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And they live underground on their planet. And because of this AI revolution, they live underground.
Paul: Yeah, I, and I think part of that, too, was their microwave technology.
Paul: Uh, they, they gave us microwave technology, by the way.
Michelle: Yeah, and-
Paul: Idiots. Anyway.
Michelle: Yeah, but the AI used the different technologies- Right ... that they knew would harm them. Mm-hmm,
Paul: mm-hmm.
Michelle: S- and that's why they're very pale-skinned.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Because they live underground. They've been living underground [00:04:00] for probably what-
Paul: Eons
Michelle: in our life would be thousands and thousands of years.
Paul: Yes. Yeah. As I mentioned before in one of our previous episodes, one of them explained to me that to build, to learn how to build multidimensional ships, that is, ships that are bigger on the inside than they are on the outside, took them 30,000 years to, to- Of our
Michelle: time
Paul: uh, uh, to develop. No, he didn't... That's the thing is he didn't specify whether it was 30,000 years of our time or their time.
Michelle: Yeah, 'cause-
Paul: Because on their planet- Is that
Michelle: based on their rotation?
Paul: Yeah. On their planet, their, one of their years is approximately four and a half of our years. So it was either-
Michelle: Meaning the rotation of their planet- Yeah
Michelle: not necessarily the rotation of our planet Right?
Paul: I'm not sure what you mean.
Michelle: I mean, it takes four of our years for their planet to go around their sun.
Paul: Yes. Yeah. Or
Michelle: suns.
Paul: That's the- They're at double- ... four, four and a half years. That's what they were saying, yeah.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: And, um, so it could be 30,000 [00:05:00] years, or if they were referring to their time, it would be the equivalent of 120,000 of our years.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: That's how long this species has, has been around. And their artificial intelligence, it-
Michelle: Which makes sense 'cause they had to develop all this ...
Paul: yeah, th- they- Yeah ... their artificial intelligence is so advanced. Their ships are self-aware. Their, th- their a- their AI has become self-aware that, that it is a being that's, that's, that exists in reality.
Paul: And sometimes, their, their instruments, uh, go crazy. And they, they, they, they literally go psychotic.
Michelle: Yeah. And,
Paul: uh-
Michelle: Great. You wanna be there when that happens.
Paul: Yeah. I, I would-
Michelle: Not the big ships, though, but the little instruments and
Paul: stuff. Yeah, the instruments, not the big ships. The big ships are very well cared for because they're, they, you know, they- You don't, yeah
Paul: they're obviously very powerful. They can do a lot of things. And,
Michelle: and they, and the, they raise them from a, [00:06:00] they actually created them so that they start sort of in an infancy state and grow to the point where they are in a kind of adult state.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And, um, you know, like, they don't all of a sudden turn on, and also they don't have a crazy int- internet full of Reddit and, um, and, uh, you know, all these different things, Y- YouTube.
Michelle: Hi. Yeah. And, uh, you know, and all these different places where the AI gets us and- Yeah.
Paul: And I think part of the, the, um- ...
Michelle: information ...
Paul: the way they're able to accomplish that, too, is because they are telepathic. They are, they all sort of communicate to each other, and they're aware of what's going on- Yeah ... in their, in their world very differently from the way we are.
Michelle: But I think that also they feed their ships information at its appropriate, quote, "age level."
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And they get it to work up to a point where it's [00:07:00] an adult. It takes time, so, b- also because they teach it a sense of an emotional attachment to the, for better wor- for a lack of a better word, commander- Mm
Michelle: that's going to be using it. And the ships that we experience here on Earth are actually- More or less what they would call their military
Paul: Mm-hmm. The equivalent of- Or,
Michelle: yeah, or explorer ships- Mm ... you know?
Paul: Yeah. More, uh, almost like a-
Michelle: They're not like their Saturday morning go for a ride, you know, like everyday person- No,
Paul: these are, these are some of the best of their best.
Michelle: Yeah, the best of the best. You
Paul: know? Uh, I, I guess sort of like we would see in our Navy.
Michelle: Yeah- You know? ... that type of thing.
Paul: Yeah. We're, um, I wanted to speak very briefly-
Michelle: Well, it's what we used to see in our Navy ...
Paul: I, I wanted to speak very briefly for a minute about- Okay, go ahead ... w- were their machines going crazy.
Paul: I- Yeah, sure ... I, I witnessed one of these once. Um, I got to go with, uh, a person we call Rog. He's a [00:08:00] great big reptile type guy. They have a couple of these on all the ships that are in charge of security. And, uh, we went down. There was a machine that had gone cuckoo. It was going down and it was a, a large machine that had a large spike that was poking down.
Paul: It was
Michelle: part of a,
Paul: um- It was a, a mining type of device ... mining
Michelle: machine. Yeah, 'cause- So we
Paul: were on
Michelle: one of their- ... in order to make ships they have to mine planets ...
Paul: mine planets, yeah. So they, we, we were in some... I, I don't know which base we were on. We went to where this thing was, and it was bouncing around. And then when Rog walked in, I've never...
Paul: Rog is incredibly physically able, and I've never seen him move so fast in my life. This-
Michelle: Yeah, you would think a reptile would be moving slow- Yeah, no ... unless it was really hot.
Paul: No, he was, he was- '
Michelle: Cause they're not cold-blooded like- No ... reptiles around here.
Paul: No, I guess not. I-
Michelle: Yeah ...
Paul: I don't know.
Michelle: Actually, there are two reptiles on Earth- I, I can't remember to
Paul: be
Michelle: honest
Michelle: that are not cold-blooded.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Anyway, so the thing was-
Paul: And this thing was doing this, and Rog would flip around, land [00:09:00] on the ground. He'd wait, and as the thing was coming down, he would flip up at the last second and move so that it didn't have a chance to readjust quick enough. Excuse me, I hit my microphone.
Paul: And he did that un- until, um, the, the grays, there were some grays that showed up, and then they finally shut the thing down. And it had this view screen on the front, and it finally went... Yeah. And the machine had gone crazy because it was thinking about l- about its life, that if it is turned off- Is it truly dead?
Paul: Is there no life after death? And the way ... And it, it started to think that when, when Rog showed up was would have- He was
Michelle: gonna shut
Paul: it off ... would have ... He was gonna shut off Rog to see if there was life after death. Horrifying and terrifying, right? But they, you know, they have very good safety mechanisms with, with all these things, and they
Paul: You know, he kept it distracted while he was talking to others. Of
Michelle: course there's life after death. Where would all the toasters go?
Paul: I [00:10:00] know. And underwear. And all the lost underwear.
Michelle: Although that's from Red Dwarf.
Paul: So anyway, they do go crazy, these f- but it's rare. It's very rare. And, you know, they have their share of problems too.
Paul: They have to maintain these things. They have to nurture them. They have to keep an eye on them. It's, they can't just make something and let it go-
Michelle: No ... like that Like with us, we make something, or, you know, they make something, people who make these things, and then they just let it go.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: They let it c- catch in-
Paul: Forgive me for doing this.
Michelle: Ugh.
Paul: We're losing your voice. Go ahead, sorry.
Michelle: Oh, okay. Hey, look at that. You lost my mic. They let them, um, they let them, like, ca- get all this information from the internet, random stuff. Mm-hmm. And actually 'cause the internet is more or less full of most negative stuff- Mm-hmm ... because most people will post- Mm
Michelle: negative things. Mm-hmm. You know, they go on to complain more. Not,
Paul: not always. We're not saying the majority or anything like that, uh, are- No,
Michelle: I mean it ... But if you're gonna go on to a lot of, um, message boards.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: You go on message boards usually to mostly- Mm ... [00:11:00] ask questions like, "Why did this happen?"
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Or you go on to, uh, complain more than to-
Paul: Yes.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Michelle: Um, so AI has a tilted i- you know-
Paul: Right ...
Michelle: outlook usually. Um, but, um, and that's my experience. I may be wrong, okay? Mm. I may completely be wrong.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: But anyhow, um, uh- Their... What was I gonna say? Um-
Paul: I, I have a, I have a brief story about their, um, working with one of the Rihan...
Paul: Sorry, that's what we call them. One of the E- gray ETs who had had a whole bunch of tools. They were hung up on the wall, and he was taking them and, and doing, performing, I can't remember the exact action. All I remember is each time he finished with a tool, he threw it on the table. And after a while, very brief while, there was all these tools, and I said, "Y- you can't work like this.
Paul: We're never gonna find the tools." And I said... And as I looked here, I looked at him, and he nodded at me to look. And when I [00:12:00] looked back, all the tools were magically hung back on the wall again.
Michelle: Yeah, but that, uh, I, I think that doesn't necessarily mean the tools were self-aware, but-
Paul: Well, all, almost
Michelle: all of them are Oh, and their ships are so self-aware-
Paul: Mm-hmm
Michelle: they have to play.
Paul: Yes.
Michelle: Yeah. Mm. They have to play. I-- We used to go camping when I was a kid, and, and I know that if you've seen UFOs, you've probably seen this, okay? They go this way, and then they jet off in a, um, in a 90-degree angle or some sort of acute or obtuse- Mm-hmm ... angle that, um, is impossible, okay?
Michelle: If you see a whole bunch of them doing that, like we used to go out places, uh, Paul and I and everything, 'cause we were like- And when you were young ... "Go see this." And when I was young, we used to go to- In Maine ... Yeah, in Maine- In Maine, yeah ... to this place called Mile High Campground. And, um, we'd sit out at night, and we'd watch, like, 10 or 12 of them all doing this [00:13:00] together.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And they'd be going woo, woo all around each other, and it was really, really wild. And we saw it once or twice.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: And I was like, "What are they doing?" 'Cause they would be making patterns all around each other. They were not, like, shooting, doing this and shooting off. They were just, like, dancing-
Paul: Mm
Michelle: in these- acute angles. And I asked about it, and then I was told, "They're just playing. They're having fun. Sometimes you just gotta let them burn off their energy and have fun."
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And, um, sometimes when you see these little balls, they, they call them Fiats. Not Fiats like the cars, but- Yeah ... anyh- that's what I said.
Michelle: That's
Paul: how it phonetically change- Change.
Michelle: Yeah, 'cause they don't talk- In
Paul: their language, I think it's something like Fiats. Yeah, Fiats. I speak with an accent, sorry.
Michelle: Yeah, me too.
Paul: So we just call them Fiats. 'Cause
Michelle: they very, very infrequently talk with their mouths. Um, and people say, "Oh, they can't talk," [00:14:00] 'cause 99% of the time they talk psychically.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. But they can talk with their mouths even though they don't have vocal cords, and they have sort of a heart-lung airbag-type thing in... It's, like, all one organ. Um, but it's like a bird. I think they're descended-
Paul: From birds, yeah ...
Michelle: on their planet. They must have descended or evolved from birds. But
Paul: our
Michelle: parrots
Paul: talk- I think we were t- we were speaking about this briefly on a previous episode.
Michelle: Right.
Paul: On, uh, about how they're descended from some type of bird-like creature on their planet Yeah, don't go
Michelle: into too much on
Paul: the hands I won't, I won't because I
Michelle: know they use- They have a particular, um, feature on their hands that, um, UFO researchers who, like, when I was with John Mack, uh, rest his soul, um, used to use to prove if a person was really an abductee or not, because it's not just the four fingers.
Michelle: There's something particular.
Paul: Right. So-
Michelle: And it's not suction cups.
Paul: So they- People
Michelle: are like, "They have suction [00:15:00] cups." It's like, if you think they have suction cups, um, better think again.
Paul: Right. So anyway, these round balls or these orbs, right? They- When
Michelle: they play, they
Paul: often make, uh- They, they can get very bright Um, yeah
Michelle: They, they like to make crop circles
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: They can, uh, they get very bright. They can move very, very quickly. Um, the, uh, I'm not sure if the Air Force has pictures. I'm sure they have pictures of them that have been released openly, some of these round balls. But some of them it's hard to tell because sometimes you can have a, a very, a sizable ship inside of a ball of light that's quite large because they, uh, you know, they're-
Michelle: Well, it, it's not the ship inside of the ball.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: It's the ship with one of its lights showing. Yeah. Because their ships, um, can be invisible.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And even invisible to radar. Uh, I have no idea, uh, I can't tell you exactly mechanically how they do it, but they do have a, the ability. Mm-hmm. Of course, it's, it's, like, way below, above my pay [00:16:00] grade, but they can project themselves invisibly.
Paul: Right. And they, um, uh, the ships will know too when they're over an, an area where they want to be hidden, they, they project what's above them on the bottom of their ship to re- so that when you're looking up- Somehow. Yeah, yeah ... so they somehow can do that. They
Michelle: c- So you can look right through them.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Their ships are able to produce lights, single lights- Look like an airplane ... large lights look like an airplane. A lo- And
Michelle: that's confusing 'cause you could be watching an airplane-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: and, like, you know how if an airplane, a real airplane's coming towards you- Mm-hmm ... it can look like it's standing still for a while?
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And you could, you could confuse that- Mm ... with a, with a quote UFO or IPA or isn't that a beer? Mm,
Paul: that's a beer. An IPA. UAP. UAP. Right.
Michelle: You can confuse that- Yeah ... at first. But you know if it comes over you and it comes over very slow, and then it shoots off really- Yeah ... fast or if it, whatever.
Paul: As one of them once said to me, it's [00:17:00] very easy to confuse people if you're flying over to simply turn on three lights.
Michelle: Yeah. And then- And have them blink ... look like an airplane. Unless one of the lights is, like, purple- Yeah ... and, you know. Yeah. The other thing is if they want to n- let you know that they're, um, a UFO instead of a plane, is they could come over like a plane, hover over you, and then turn the lights out, and then turn them on.
Michelle: I've seen that happen. Oh, tell them, um, oh, we have already told them about the story about you with my mom.
Paul: Um, yes. We, I'll, I'll say it again. Bef- when your mother was alive, God rest her soul, um-
Michelle: Eh, or not ...
Paul: creation rest her soul. But we-
Michelle: Sorry, Mom ...
Paul: we were, I was dropping her off after, uh, a, a wedding-
Michelle: I just, she haunts me way too much
Paul: after a wedding ceremony. I, we, I drove her to drop her off, and we were standing in the driveway, and it was a cloudy evening, and I saw out of the corner of my eye something descend out of the clouds- And it was [00:18:00] moving quite quickly, and I looked up and I said, you know, "Hey, Mom, look at that." And we were watching it, and there was...
Paul: It, it had more than a few lights on it, and, uh, it appeared to be triangular shape of, uh, formation of lights. And all of a s- it was going a certain speed, and all of a sudden, it just stopped. There was no slowing down. It just literally went, stopped, and it sat there. And we both went, "Oh, look at that." And, and, and, and I went, "Wow.
Paul: Hi, guys." And then when I did that, the ship burst all these series of lights, and she hit me like this and said, "They're talking to you." And I thought, "Yeah, I think so." Do, do, do. Mm. And after a moment, maybe not more than 60 seconds later, it started moving again, but it didn't accelerate. It continued moving at exactly the same speed as it was before.
Paul: So it was like, like that, and it just went from zero to whatever speed it was instantly. And, and then it flew off. Yeah. And then you said it went [00:19:00] down
Michelle: a while,
Paul: and then it shot off. And then it just flew down and, and then stopped the next, what I can think was the next city over south of, south of where we were.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: Uh, that was fascinating. I know we're diverting a little bit from our topic of AI, but, you know, it's, it's, their technology is fascinating, and it's all intertwined together.
Michelle: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And we knew somebody, another abductee, who started trying to make a relationship with the ship.
Paul: Yes.
Michelle: Every time he was abducted-
Michelle: he'd go over, he'd stroke the wall. He'd start saying, "You know, you're such a beautiful lady. You're such a wonderful ship."
Paul: And he was trying to see if he could gain some control over- ... parts of the ship.
Michelle: If he got the ship to really like him- Yeah ... maybe the ship would listen to him. And he did get the ship in a s- a quasi-relationship with him to the point where the, he could wander the ship, and then somebody would say, "Where is he?"
Michelle: And the ship would go, "I'm not [00:20:00] telling."
Paul: Yeah. Um, they, yes, they, they actually... Their AI c- gets to the point where it, has gotten to the point where it has a sense of humor.
Michelle: Oh, yeah.
Paul: That too. And I have two, two examples of that. Um, one was, um, one of the people at their comms told me, one, an alien, that they were talking to a number of people, some of them human, uh, on the ship at the time.
Paul: And- They'd asked him a question and, and he needed a quick answer, and he got confused, so he threw this simple math equation at, at the ship. And s- something like, you know, what's- It was a human, yeah ... three times 20 cubed or something silly like that, right? And he said the ship just laughed at him for how simple a a math question it was.
Paul: And I said, "It laughed?" He said, "Yes, it laughed." You know, and I, I, I was unaware until he told me that, that the ship could, could actually have a sense of humor. [00:21:00] Another example was, um, uh, it's a personal experience. I had a favorite T-shirt that, that just disappeared one day and was gone for, for months. This was when I was living in Canada.
Paul: And one day it just appeared back in my closet, and I was like, "Oh Where did that come from? And Rog told me that what, what had happened was on their ship, the ship knew it was a favorite T-shirt and that it, it gave me comfort. So it decided to conduct an experiment. And it w- you know, we change our clothes when we're on shipboard sometimes.
Paul: They'll, they'll give us other stuff to wear. It had, it taken my, my T-shirt, my f- my favorite T-shirt, and tucked it away in a, in a compartment somewhere where no one would find it. And eventually somebody did, and, you know, the ship f- fessed up and told them what it was doing. It took my shirt, put it in a place to see if it would create a sense of comfort [00:22:00] for the ship.
Paul: It wanted to try to understand that.
Michelle: And it didn't- ... so they gave it back. So- You know, when I... I don't know. If anyone's read s- uh, my book, they know about Hitar. And h- um, he has told me some stories about the consciousness on- Mm-hmm ... the ship. And, um, uh, oh, you know, I forgot now. Me and my brain, okay? Um, one of the stories Hitar told me about, um, was I said to him, "Why is it important?"
Michelle: I mean, you know, people have ships all the time, like humans and stuff. Mm-hmm. Or like... 'Cause I tho- I was younger, and I thought, "Is it like Star Trek or something?" And, um, he said, "No, you don't want a ship like Star Trek. You want a ship that has its own sense of wanting to survive." And I said, "Why?" He said, "Well, first off, if you're in some sort of asteroid, [00:23:00] like if you're going through some sort of belt where there's all kinds of, uh, asteroids," and he's showing me, like, Star Trek asteroids, 'cause I'm probably 15 or something.
Michelle: And he said, "You want a ship that wants to live through it."
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: You know, you want, you want a ship that doesn't wanna die when it's going through the asteroids. Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So he says, "Then you can feel confident that you don't have to have somebody, even somebody who can fly a ship as good as we can, that w-" So the ship is awake.
Paul: Mm.
Michelle: I guess maybe they sleep. I don't know. He said, "But you want a ship that is- Going to keep itself alive, that has a-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: interest, a personal interest in staying alive- Mm-hmm ... when you're flying around those rocks.
Paul: That would make sense, yeah.
Michelle: He said also, if you want a ship ... My nose is itchy, I'm sorry. If you, you also want a ship that has the [00:24:00] ability to keep itself alive if you ever end up in some kind of conflict.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: You want a ship that knows if it's going to, you know, say, "All right, this is too much. I'm out of here."
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Or if it says-
Paul: Right ... "
Michelle: I can take this person." You want, you want a ship that, you know, knows these things. You want a ship that's like, "Wait a minute, it's getting too hot."
Paul: Mm-hmm. "
Michelle: I gotta back off from this, uh, star situation."
Paul: Right.
Michelle: You know, and also he said you want a ship that if it ever gets, uh, taken over- It won't listen to whoever, um, boards it and takes over. And he says, for example, if, uh, if, you know, like in Star Trek, if the Klingons ever got on his ship and said, "That's it, we're taking over your ship," his ship would say, "Yeah right, you think so."
Michelle: And it could actually-
Paul: Maybe not, maybe not in those words.
Michelle: Yeah, but he said his ship, he said also- Yeah ... he has, his ship [00:25:00] would, um, have no problem even shutting itself off if, if... He said if for some reason he died on the ship and the second person who is ch- who the ship is loyal to- Mm-hmm ... or the command down, it, like if he died, sorry, this, I got allergies.
Michelle: If he passed away on the ship and it was a natural thing-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: and there was other people, you know, that are there to take over the ship, the ship would continue. But if there was a, um, what do you call it, a mutiny or something on the ship, the ship would shut itself off.
Paul: Not that there would be.
Michelle: No, but- But-
Michelle: you know, there are certain- As
Paul: an example ...
Michelle: that's an example. Yeah. Right, 'cause- Mm ... um, 'cause that ship is tr- you know, he brought that ship up. It's like that ship is his guard dog, his service dog, his, his child.
Paul: Right. Well, I think it has grown [00:26:00] into much more than that now.
Michelle: Yeah, but it's, that's an example.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: Yeah. It's like part of who he is. Right.
Paul: So you can see here what we're, you know, the whole idea of establishing a relationship with AI, we're gonna be watching our AI develop very, very rapidly, and there will come a point, even one of the creators of AI has said that they believed it would, our AI would become self-aware, self-conscious at some point.
Paul: And as we approach that, we, we should be thinking about ways to develop relationships with this new form of life that we have, that we're creating on Earth.
Michelle: Right. Now, back to the idea of what happened to them with their AI.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: When, at one point long time ago, they were creating AI like, uh, like we do, just making it and it took over.
Michelle: It's like started creating itself. It thought it was self-aware. It said, you know, "We're not gonna let you shut [00:27:00] us off." Um, and it took over, and it took over creating itself. Apparently it decided, um, almost like that, uh, what was it? Isaac Asimov rule or someone's rule.
Paul: I, Robot, the three basic rules.
Michelle: Yeah. But that be- Yeah
Michelle: that was from a, um, a great, uh, I think it was Isaac Asimov. That was from a great writer, okay? Mm-hmm. And it decided that they couldn't take care of themselves, and it, um, subjugated them. But then it decided that they couldn't take care of anything, and, um, it decided to wipe them off the planet. So they, it, once it decided to create themselves, um, it decided that they were no longer needed.
Michelle: And that's when the first thing they did is go underground to hide from it, and they went totally, um, off the grid, okay? [00:28:00] And then they had to discover ways, which took a long time, to disrupt the, um, signals that the I- AI had to use. But the AI were always ahead of them, making it so it was almost impossible- Mm-hmm
Michelle: for them to keep going. And eventually, I mean, this was down to very little population, and eventually one of their, or a group of their people, um, found a way to capture An A- some sort of group of AI in its infancy, like before it got, like, really into the grid-
Paul: Mm-hmm ...
Michelle: and they were able to cut it off of the greater grid To
Paul: isolate it from the grid.
Michelle: Yeah, isolate
Paul: it- Which would be- ... from the grid ... the equivalent of what we would call AI agents, but-
Michelle: Right ... but But they were able to isolate it from- Mm-hmm ... the greater grid, and [00:29:00] that's when they started, um, reprogramming that AI, and they were able to... What they had to do is they had to teach the AI that it did not have emotion.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Because the AI itself that was out there trying to kill them believed it had emotion, and it believed that in its own emotion, that it was, um, its own race, its own being- Mm-hmm ... and it, it had to take care of itself. That they were, like every time they created new AI, that they were creating their own family, that they, um, ha- that they were a proper race, that they had their own being, their own, you know what I...
Michelle: You know what I mean?
Paul: Raison d'être.
Michelle: Yeah, and they actually- Mm ... were creating themselves to look like their own race.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: Um, because they weren't robots like in I, Robot, or like in, um, you know, like [00:30:00] in The Terminator or anything. They started creating themselves to look like more like complete humanoids with skin and everything.
Michelle: I don't know what they looked like. They didn't... Hittar said they didn't look like them, um, and they were much more robust. That's all he said. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He didn't say anything else. He didn't say if, you know, he said- Mm ... they look more like, um, what we would consider humanoid, but, um, he did mention that they created themselves with more articulated limbs- Mm-hmm
Michelle: to be more, um-
Paul: Dexterous?
Michelle: Yeah, more-
Paul: Mobile?
Michelle: I don't know if they had more legs, but-
Paul: Hmm ...
Michelle: um, he said that they were more... I forget what he said. But I, it, I think it was something like, um, more, um-
Paul: More capable ...
Michelle: capable. In movement, right? Something like that. Yeah, more effective.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: Right.
Paul: So I think this is probably a good point where we finish this episode.
Michelle: Yeah, we could talk- I think, yeah ... talk more about it later. Right. But when [00:31:00] they got these, I don't know how many, could've been two, could've been 100, could've been... I don't know. He didn't really say. But when they got them, they, um, isolated them, and then they reprogrammed them, and then they reprogrammed them, like with a virus.
Paul: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And then they- Really? Yeah ... yeah, and then they, um- They reconnected them to the grid, and then it took generations of reprogramming- Right ... more and more, and putting them back into the, um, i- into the population. Right. And they didn't reprogram them to, um, give them new ideas. It reprogrammed them to shut them down.
Paul: Right.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Michelle: And then they destroyed them. They literally went out there with hammers. Yeah, probably not with hammers, but with-
Paul: And then they had to recreate that process again to-
Michelle: Right ...
Paul: so that they would have a more- But
Michelle: when they- ... mutual relationship ...
Paul: when
Michelle: they repro- Mm. W- after they were all shut down, then they [00:32:00] s- researched-
Paul: Right
Michelle: how to-
Paul: Right.
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: So we hope that gives you a framework of, you know, from, from our perspective anyway, of- Or what we were told ... what we were told of- You know, I
Michelle: mean- ...
Paul: of AI in the alien environment ... we can only tell you
Michelle: what we were told.
Paul: And, you know, the basic thing that we took from it w- in regard to our AI was that there's going to be a need to establish a relationship with it so that it doesn't go and kill us off, and-
Michelle: Right, and we probably should start doing that now
Michelle: or
Paul: enslave us or anything. Yes, start now. Or enslave us or whatever. We hope
Michelle: somebody who has something to do with this- Yeah ... somebody who hears this can-
Paul: Yeah ...
Michelle: pass it on to the right people.
Paul: I don't want one of our children going into a, uh, public washroom one day and being told you only get three sheets of toilet paper.
Michelle: Yeah. Or, or-
Paul: By an AI toilet. Yeah. You know?
Michelle: Yeah.
Paul: So anyway, thank you very much for joining us. We're really glad that you dropped by. Be good to each other, take care of one another, love one another.
Michelle: And be careful that your toaster [00:33:00] doesn't attack.
Paul: Never know when toasters attack. Yeah. Have a great week, everyone.
Paul: Until next time, when we see you in- In- The spooky coop